My point ends. I can't be arsed picking over the boring details of that case for the umpteenth time mate. You think he was harshly treated, you might be right, but he was a **** anyway, so who's arsed?
“Thomas More: ...And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned around on you--where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country's planted thick with laws from coast to coast--man's laws, not God's--and if you cut them down...d'you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake.” ― Robert Bolt, A Man for All Seasons Your contention that because someone is a c**t (a description I honestly wouldn't argue with in Suarez's case) they are therefore to be denied due process and natural justice would, on its own, be an issue for scorn but not concern..... were it not the same as the media's and the FA's.
My point still stands about him apologising for every bite, pressured into it or not. He will never apologise for the Evra stuff because he doesn't need to. For the record he never lied to the FIFA disciplinary panel because he never attended, but who cares anyway......
If a move to Barca had hinged on it, he'd have apologised.... He did lie to the disciplinary panel, as he sent in a written submission. http://www1.skysports.com/football/...fifa-he-did-not-bite-italys-giorgio-chiellini
Oh behave mate, we're talking about a footballer who possibly got a few matches more than he should have done for racially abusing an opponent. It's hardly a matter that is akin to a gross miscarriage of justice.
Of course it's a matter of a gross miscarriage of justice conduct in the full glare of the media. The principle is the thing at issue and not the individual.
Keep it in context is what I meant. He admitted he used the word, he was therefore guilty by default. The only issue of real debate is the multiple use which doubled his ban. His only excuse for the single offence was 'cultural differences', he was hardly framed ffs. It was always overblown, on all sides, from the cringeworthy T shirts to the 121 page judgement.
Then how lucky are we not to have you as Lord Chief Justice and your "guilty by default"? Donga has proved over and over that you only have a tenuous knowledge of what actually happened or was said so let's just leave it hey.
Dave, I mentioned this on another thread. Tobes is not interested in a reasonable debate, even if you present the evidence in front of him. He's just wading in because it involves Liverpool and he will argue AGAINST LFC every single time.
Look you have to feel sorry for an individual who is compelled by such antagonism and negativity. But in the meantime it's quite fun watching him go round and round in ever decreasing circles.
This is dumb. Why are people going over this again. Suarez called him a negro, he didnt mean it as a racial slur, but it was taken as one, because it is a racial slur in our country. I doubt Suarez is racist, he just said something he shouldn't have said.....but ignorance is not a defence, and he shouldn't have said it. He should have just apologised for his ignorance on the meaning of the word in this country and accepted whatever punishment was handed out. On to the FA, they are a complete shower of ****e and were WAAAAAAAY overly harsh on him, yes he didn't hold his hands up, but the ban was ridiculous, especially given that they punish people on the "likelyhood" of their guilt, without any recorded evidence. As far as I know, Suarez only admitted to saying it once. Thats all they could prove and thats what his punishment should have been based on......it was ridiculously harsh. Suarez is a total **** and an rabid animal for biting people (what a prick), but this occured before the 2nd bite (the Ivanovic one), until this his record in the PL was more or less clean as far as I know. He should have gotten a 3 match ban and a 25,000 fine and thats it. John Terry's case was even worse, because all he did was repeat what Anton Ferdinand had accused him of and called him a ****ing knobhead for thinking he said it, and the FA showed their complete ineptitude again by finding him guilty of something he had been cleared of in a Court of Law. And the FA making a statement that they didn't need facts, they can just work on the probability of guilt? What the **** kind of justice is that? Can you imagine if the actual legal system worked like that? I completely agreed with JT's decision to walk away from the England team, why the **** would he want to play for an FA run team after that? Suarez is a cock with a big ego.....JT is a chav with scummy parents.....and the FA are a complete shambles and a ****ing crock of **** when it comes to making these decisions..........thats my summary.
Don't think I commented on the event when it actually happened, so technically I am not going over it again But yeah, people just like debating "He's a ****, they're a **** blah blah" at the end of the day i just want to watch football.
I can't argue with that analysis. I tried to say earlier that it was the injustice of what happened that upset so many Liverpool supporters not the incident itself. Perhaps our response was OTT but then we have become well-schooled in the dark arts of injustice - even though the 2 events are nowhere near comparable.
Good summary mate. That's pretty much it in a nutshell, yet people will no doubt be talking about it for years to come
The only problem I have with Bodanki's post [and I'm only pointing it out because it continues to annoy me] is that Suarez didn't call him 'a negro' and I'm not about to get into it all again but will just add that as someone who can speak Spanish and so understand it's use, the word 'negro' is just a colour, it's unfortunate that it has another [maybe more sinister] meaning in English which is why everyone who doesn't understand it's use in Spanish, still gets incensed by the fact Suarez said it. It is commonly used by Spanish speakers when talking to black people, Toure has even come out and said Suarez used it with him. Nobody will ever know the intent of either player in the whole situation - but as Dave and Donga rightly say the FA completely messed up in their handling of it. Anyway this thread is about Suarez saying the club didn't do the right thing with his legal representation - and I agree with him. Is Suarez the most divisive player we've ever had?
