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Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by Red Hadron Collider, Apr 15, 2014.

  1. Skylarker

    Skylarker PL High Commissioner

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    Unless you're a complete and utter pussy, dealing with British Prisons is a breeze. Just keep yourself to yourself and you won't have any problems. The TV show's etc. don't reflect what our prison system is like. I've worked in a few prisons in my previous job and trust me he has nothing to worry about, I've also been on the other side of the fence in my mispent youth. these days you get TV's, Play stations, etc. etc.

    What's confusing here is, he's clearly not on remand so it can't be too serious (no idea what he done as I haven't been following). But usually if it's a serious case it would go straight to Crown court. Which suggests to me he went to Magistrates and made the cardinal sin of saying he was 'not guilty' - then it's likely to have been pushed over to crown court, so he will get sentenced if found guilty, that's now a dead cert.

    He should have gone guilty at the Magistrates and hopefully it would have been dealt with there and then - so he's ****ed up there.

    You say he pleaed guilty, that's odd, because in my experience if you go to Magistartes and admit guilt then they usually deal with it there and then. Like I said if it was that serious he'd be on remand, which is ideal if you're off to Crown as the remand time doubles so you your sentance can be reduced considerbly, obviously depending on the amount of time on remand.

    Plus other factors such as previous would come into it, but from what it seems he doesn't have previous, hence not being remanded.

    It sounds like an odd case to be honest, a few things don't add up. But he'll probably get a prison term now it's at crown.

    Due to starting at magistrates and being moved to crown - I doubt very much he'll be looking at a long term, and he'll be up for parole after serving just over half, as long as completes his sentance plan, which sounds like it will have TSP (thinking skills programme) and Anger management on it. Also he might have to do the PASRO programme as it's likely to be on his SP. If he completes all of them and stays out of trouble - he should be out in 2 years (that's just an example if he gets approx 4 year sentence).

    But looking at the whole saga with the courts etc. It sounds like he'll get a max of 3 years and be out in 18months if his SP is completed.
     
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  2. I was only using murder as a example as it was the easiest explanation <laugh> Fair enough though <ok>
     
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  3. Skylarker

    Skylarker PL High Commissioner

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    Not always the case mate. Recently a friend of ours got beaten ****less by her boyfriend and a restricting order was put on him. He broke it and turned up at her house with a knife tried to barge in and she wouldn't have it, screaming her head off. He then pulled out a knife and went to stab her, she luckily moved out the way and he pulled her down the street by her hair naked. When the police turned up he stabbed himself in the gut.

    He was on remand, and our friend had a mental breakdown due to it all. She made plenty of statements saying she was mentally scarred etc. His defence was he had mental health problems - which the past 5 years he was with her he showed no signs of it at all. He got released at court and has strict probation and a new restraining order. But he got released, so the effect on her had no influence on the outcome.
     
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  4. This is what I meant. It is ridiculous that a person can get away so lightly with something like that. Just because he failed in his attempt doesn't make it alright. The next victim might not be so lucky!
     
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  5. Skylarker

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    The mad thing is his restraining order only includes her road and her work place and route to work. He was apparently seen at the pub on Friday night at the opposite end of her road - she's ****ing terrified and won't go out.

    To be honest if I come across him, I'll be having some strict words with the ****. Woman beating scumbag.
     
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  6. You need to be careful after the other week don't you?
     
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  7. Skylarker

    Skylarker PL High Commissioner

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    I won't do anything stupid <ok>

    Just a few words.
     
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  8. How's your boy?
     
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  9. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    So if that was the case, what would he actually do?
     
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  10. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    He did plead guilty and the CPS wanted Crown.
     
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  11. Tobes

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    As long as he behaved himself 18 months
     
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  12. Actually depends on the sentencing. They've started issuing a 'minimum to serve' period. If he were to get three years, it could have a minimum to serve of twelve months attached to it. Therefore, the good behaviour part would only apply to the remaining two years. He'd be out on good behaviour after two years then.

    The mrs' (nm) brother had this happen recently.
     
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  13. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    Looks like he's ****ed every which way, then. The ****ing evils of drink and drunken splitarses <doh>
     
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  14. saintanton

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    Surely it's easier for a court to assess the damage inflicted rather than the degree of intent?
    Of course if anybody attacks someone with a baseball bat it's an act of aggression, but only the perpetrator really knows their true intent.
    Depending on the circumstances, it could be anything from self defence to cold-blooded murder. I think the leeway in the law is to allow the court to make a judgement based on a number of factors, and not just have judgement by numbers (a system we seem to be sliding towards anyway, sadly).
     
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  15. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    Will it be a jury job?
     
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  16. Garlic Klopp

    Garlic Klopp Well-Known Member

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    Not if he is pleading guilty. He will just be sentenced at Crown which will mean a minimum of 12 months
     
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  17. Tobes

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    Not if he's pleaded guilty soft ollies <laugh>
     
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  18. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    <laugh> Not feeling too sharp today. Full of a ****ing cold - unless it's Ebola <yikes>
     
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  19. We can only hope :bandit:
     
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  20. Skylarker

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    He's good ta <ok>
     
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