Teachers........

I reckon you work as a bin man for Kent County Council

 

The strikes were actually about cuts to pensions where teachers and many others in the public sector would still have better pensions than many in the private sector after the cuts. Private sector pensions have taken more severe cuts than the public sector yet the public sectors expect support and sympathy from those in the private sector.

Your point about footballers could be applied to any football fan in the country.

 

Aren't you worried about the value of your pension being eroded being you're a public sector worker ?

 

I work in the private sector. Many in the public sector have a better deal than many in the private sector, with obvious exceptions.

 

I always thought bin men worked for the council.Has your job been farmed out to a private company ?

 

I work for a privately owned company.

 

You are a bin man though aren't you ?

 

The reason pensions in the public sector are better because the pay is lower than the private sector. I would guess on average 25% lower (this is being generous as IT specialists etc could earn alot more in the private sector).
So a junior public servant being paid 20k over ten years earns 200k
Someone in the private sector with the same skills earns 250k.
[So the private sector employee had 50k to put in a private pension scheme]
The 50k gap at the moment is decreased by the pension for the public servant.
Hard to give an exact figure for arguments sake say 50% (25k)
So the junior public sector worker is now earning 25k less than the private sector worker.
When the pension reforms go through, the 25k gap will increase to guesstimate 33k.
When the pension reforms go through, the public servant has lost out in pay differential , paying more into the pension, retiring later and receiving less pension payout as the pension will be calculated on average earnings.

I do not buy into the lucky to have a job argument. If Mr Cameron wants a wall built he pays a bricklayer. The bricklayer is not lucky to be working.

 

The problem, seenitallbefore, is that MUFCJimbo is pretty clueless and makes up numbers/facts/assumptions in his head based on a few ****ty examples he's encountered in his life working as a binman. None of it is based on long-term calculations, his entire argument is:

"I think I've read (in the Daily Mail) that public sector workers earn too much, so I'm going to start a ****ty thread about teachers because I know two of them and they work less than me. "

If you read through his grief changes as the thread moves on and he gets proved wrong. It's a good thing he isn't a teacher

 

I spent one day teaching 2nd year high school pupils as part of my university course and you couldn't pay may enough to want to do it for a living.

Fair play to them. They earn less than politicians and contribute 10 times as much to the future of this country.

 

Anyone who disagrees with Toby must be an idiotic Daily Mail reader who doesn't know what they're talking about because Toby is so knowledgable and is never wrong.

 

Stop being so rude to people,Berba

 

As a whole the public sector is better off than the private sector. Obviously there are exceptions such as bankers who earn ridiculous amounts of money in the private sector, and nurses who work long hours on poor pay in the public sector, but as a whole the public sector are better off (certainly pensions wise at least).

The private sector have had to take cuts for years because of the recession, it's about time the public sector were made to take the same cuts.

 

Martin Samuel and Des Kelly are the two best sports journalists around, in my opinion.

The rest of the paper is laughable nonsense. No worse than Guardian though, at the other end of the spectrum.

 

I don't think the Guardian would do as the Daily Mail did (see other thread) and blame the teachers strike for the death of a 13 year old girl being hit with a tree branch.

 

No, they are more subtle than that.

Bunch of smug pricks though.

 

That was ridiculous and very unfair.

 

True, but they're not as extreme as the right wing press when it comes to political propaganda. Just think back to the 80s and the Labour loony left council nonsense.