I remember a few year back the Dane's started kicking off over being dictated to by Strasbourg & Brussels, that means Germany & France. This was all to do with Denmark being told they had to take so many asylum seekers that would have crossed 20 odd safe countries to get there. Anyhow, the Dane's basically told them to **** off or they'd pull out. What happened? The corrupt EU cowards backed down like a sack of wet pig ****. All it would take is for one to pull out & more would follow. Since Sweden joined, the crime rate has shot through the roof. It's a totally corrupt quango that serves not a single purpose apart from jobs for the boys.
No one under the age of 57 has ever been given a say on whether we should be in what is now the EU! That's democracy for you! Sorry to say it boys but if Milliband gets in we can kiss goodbye to any chance of having our say! Labour will just carry on being the EU poodle.
True & every single one of these treaties, Maastricht, Lisbon & so forth are all illegal & every single dick fingered **** in the EU knows that. Look what they did to the Irish after the rejection of the Lisbon treaty - made them vote again after threats were issued. You seriously think if the Irish had voted yes first time they would have been asked to vote again? How's that for democracy?
Do you want to be part of the Common Market? As a traditional trading island race, we naturally voted 'yes' to any increased market. And having voted for that, we found out that our government was to be situated in a foreign country, our courts could be overruled by foreign courts, and so on. We were lied to, not by one party or the other, but systematically by MPs of all parties. Britain has never ever voted to be governed by a foreign country or group of countries. Yet here we are, thanks to electoral corruption in 1975. In the name of democracy, I want that putting right and another vote taken. Can you see anything wrong with that?
The Common Fisheries Policy gave away most of our fishing grounds and decimated the traditional fishing Towns up and down the East Coast but no one bats an eyelid. The poor fishermen who are left have to throw back perfectly good fish to comply with the idiotic fishing quotas imposed on them! There are 100s of examples of this utter lunacy yet no one bats an eyelid!
Fair enough, that sounds like quite a lie of omission. I'm too young to remember any of this. I'd agree that another vote should be taken, probably periodically, to assess where we are. That's not to say I want out in the slightest. The EU comes with its perks and its drawbacks. I'd need to know more about both to have an opinion.
"the Nissan car factory up in Sunderland, opened in 1984 when the North East was at the height of its industrial decline. Today, it's one of the most productive in Europe - a key player in a revamped automotive sector that now makes up another 10 per cent of British exports, half of which go to Europe. Yet in April, Nissan's chief operating officer, Toshiyuki Shiga, told The Telegraph that membership of the EU was "very important" to the future of the plant, which employs 6,400 people." From the Telegraph. Saw some stuff about walkways in Newcastle, a bus station in Swansea... So on and so forth. Seems that Wales benefits the most from EU membership and the South East of England least. They're small scale projects funded by our rebate which mainly comes from France and Germany. On a larger scale it's **** like... http://www.euromove.org.uk/index.php?id=15296
Sorry but I was around in the EU vote and it was clear that we joined an organisation which had as it's prim aim the ever closer economic and political union. I was 16 but I knew that? So I assume that others did. The treaty of Rome was the key document in the referendum and was debated to death on the main News and current affairs programmes of the day. It may be that not every body understood what it meant but it was never hidden. Anybody under 56 was not olden enough to remember so as is always the case half truths are turned into facts.
Well I was 32 and I didn't know it or I would never have voted for our sovereignty of 1.000 years to be given away. Perhaps half truths have been turned into 'facts' by after-the-event education?
Or some people did not read the documents or listen to the no campaigners who said we were moving into a Europrean Super State. I knew we were that's why even though I was to young to vote I worked very hard for the Yes vote and I would do so again as I believe in a United States of Europe, I know I am in a very small number of people with that view. We are stronger together than we are apart, however I would argue that we also need devolution with in the UK as well giving equal power to the regions as we are giving to Scotland.
Nee offence mate & I'll defend your right to your opinion to the hilt. But in mine that total statement is complete horseshit.
I'm sure the best performing countries are the Scandinavian countries who opted not to join. Sweden, Norway, Denmark etc. think the latter two now gave some input but aren't full members. Keep hearing arguments about how poor the UK will become and how many jobs will be lost etc but they never say how or where these jobs would go. Nissan is here courtesy of the Danes taking our shipyard work and the Japs agreeing to come to the UK. Thatcher, apologies for mentioning the c*nts name, had sweet FA to do with it apart from the little slanties conning her out of a few mil in grants
Well, I can write you a fourteen page document with one telling sentence on page eleven, and you're not guaranteed to latch onto it. But in any case, I don't think a USA-type state is feasible in Europe. The colonies on the eastern seaboard of America had a common enemy (the haphazard arrogance of the British parliament which, despite the brilliant speeches of Edmund Burke, imposed ridiculous taxes on them). Even the most isolated of them - Pennsylvania, named after the Quaker campaigner, William Penn - when asked to join the revolt, replied that whilst the couldn't fight as a matter of conscience, they would supply cash and equipment if they could be excused from sending men. The whole eastern seaboard colonies were together in a common cause. But since when has say, Greece, Spain and Britain ever had a common cause. It's too diverse, ancient and proud a group ever to be forced together by some half-baked political scheme. What we're heading for in my opinion, is much more like the USSR, and that failed for the same reasons as Europe will. You simply can't dictate to say, Armenia, that religion is the opiate of the masses and should be outlawed when they have the oldest Christian established church in the world! It just won't wash. Brussels tested the USSR style of brainwashing via education in Britain because it was an off-shore island and could be isolated. They brainwashed kids in British schools to swallow metric measurements. Ok that's worked to a point. But they've also decided that the language of Europe is to be English (not that they had much choice, given that the USA produced the most influential computer systems and English is generally acknowledged as the language of the computer because of it). But what happens in say, thirty years time, when the French find out that only English is to be taught in French schools, and the French language is legislated against like British imperial measurements were? Would you care to think about that? The French, Greeks, Italians and Spanish are not going to accept that any more than Georgia, Hungary or Czechoslovakia would adopt Russian as their everyday language. Quite frankly, I can only see the EU ending in bloodshed, and it will come to that in volatile places like France. They will not be deprived of their ancient culture, any more than I ever will. You've already seen Marie le Pen's results, and it's going to grow.
We do get rebates and also the EU funds various projects but this year our net contribution (IE after the rebates and funding) was £8bn. The argument is that this is offset by the increased trade we get from being part of this club but nobody seems to be able to put a figure on that.
Britain's governments fault. They decided to include illegal activities into their economic details (prostitution, drug sales etc) and did it retrospectively since last x years. This means the UK paid too little the last few years and France Germany paid too much (as the payment in calculated on relative economy size). In fact the UK has received several rebates the last few times. Don't be fooled, the UK government knew exactly what it was doing when it sent in its revised economic figures, and is now using it as way to win back the ukip voters.
