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Diving - Is Monk Right?

Discussion in 'Swansea City' started by Dragonborn, Oct 20, 2014.

  1. bigkidderz

    bigkidderz Well-Known Member

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    But back on track...one of my main points is that we have referees who are going upwards of 10 games without getting a big decision right.

    That's worse than terrible whatever way you look at it. It means that referees are actually determining matches with incompetent calls. Going 10 games without getting a big decision right must also lead us to question the integrity of that referee - is he just incompetent or is it more sinister? Match fixing? Geographical or other bias? To not get a big decision correct in 10 games means that every penalty scored and every red card awarded was incorrect. That's making football a bit of a joke really.

    Anything that can help the referees to get at least 50% of their big calls correct would be a great start.
     
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  2. Dragonborn

    Dragonborn Active Member

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    We like to think that most top flight referees are not biased in any way and I'm sure that's the case. In fairness to them the speed of the game is incredible these days and it's easy to see how mistakes are made. Don't forget they don't get the advantage of super slowmo replays from every angle. They need help and the technology is already there.

    Still struggling to see how he gave that pen against us on Sunday though.
     
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  3. roofjack_22

    roofjack_22 Well-Known Member

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    There will always be bad calls , always and its a problem .Teams receiving a spot kick fron a bad call will always say 'it makes up for bad calls from the past. Its all part and parcel of the game ,it will always be a problem.How managers react to such a problems say a lot about the manager that runs the team.I know the type of manager I want.
     
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  4. Dragonborn

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    I know what you're saying, Roof. However, quiet managers who say nothing tend to manage teams who get pushed around through bad decisions. In fairness, that's what Monk is saying has been happening to us and he has a point.

    I seem to remember that Sousa used to whinge generally about refs and that isn't helpful imo but where decisions are going against us repeatedly and it's easy to point to awful decisions that have cost us Monk is right to get angry.
     
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  5. bigkidderz

    bigkidderz Well-Known Member

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    This is the attitude of the people who run the game, and it's why nothing is ever done.

    You expect a bad call every now and again, but it should not happen with the regularity that it does and to the level that it does. The mistakes that happen are the same ones that occur down Ashleigh Road on Sunday mornings. With the money involved in the game, that's criminal.

    Professional footballers are quicker and fitter than ever before thanks to the emergence of Sports Science. As Dragonborn said, the game is really fast these days. One referee on a pitch that size cannot referee to the same level he could 50 years ago. Most of these referees aren't born athletes in the same way as the players. They don't scout referees at 10 years old and bring them up in special referee academies doing nothing but refereeing and athletic training. Referee's are normal people.

    One season, decisions may not even out and we could be relegated. That's probably happened to teams already. It should be FIFA and the FA's priority to stop it from happening.
     
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  6. roofjack_22

    roofjack_22 Well-Known Member

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    It never seems to be a problem until a call goes against the team receiving the bad call .Every team has them bad calls . I agree that there is a problem and if the league wants to change it, have at it .But this is a ""Chairmen"" sitting around the table with officials solution if they have the stomach for it , not solitary managers on the sideline and in the press going off the deep end in anger .Get the team ready for the next game and move on .
     
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  7. DragonPhilljack

    DragonPhilljack Well-Known Member

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    No one would be worrying about the odd bad call now and again, that can clearly be put down to human imperfection, but there is now a troubling trend of bad calls, a steady stream every week, and we have to move the officiating of the game into the modern era, time for the Video ref is well overdue, and needs implementing ASAP, every man and his dog on match day can see that.............<ok>
     
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  8. Taffvalerowdy

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  9. roofjack_22

    roofjack_22 Well-Known Member

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    Monks apology wont be far behind imo
     
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  10. DragonPhilljack

    DragonPhilljack Well-Known Member

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    Well Hartson was talking in front of Millions, and most of those would recognise that Moses dived except maybe Stoke fans, but bringing in the word 'Cheat' is questionable it imputes a wrong motive to a heavy degree than the word 'Dive', and it's good that he has apologised, we do not want to make Moses into some super villain...............<ok>
     
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  11. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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    Everyone blames the ref but there are 4 officiating each game all of whom have important jobs to do, If the ref has not seen an incident then i dont believe one of the other three have missed it as well especially when there are 19 or 20 thousand supporters actions tell them that something happened. The 3 assistants must get more involved like in rugby and assist the ref in all aspects of the game and not just the off sides and corners by the touchline judges and the 4th official should also be more involved instead of chatting away to everyone on the side lines. .With the pace of the game getting faster then maybe there should be more officials to help the ref and one on a TV monitor watching where he can give an instant assessment in seconds to make sure the ref gets his decisions spot on....
     
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  12. DragonPhilljack

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    You reckon? Maybe...............<ok>
     
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  13. ValleyGraduate12

    ValleyGraduate12 Aberdude's Puppet Forum Moderator

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    Why should Monk apologise for speaking the truth? He should be applauded for taking the stance that he has <ok>
     
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  14. Bob the slob

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    Or Hartson for that matter - I've sure I've heard other pundits say the same in the past.
     
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  15. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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    Totally agree valley. we can't keep letting the authorities brush things under the carpet any longer and issuing fines as an easy option rather than dealing with the problem.
     
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  16. Dragonborn

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    Diving is cheating so why is it wrong to use the word? Don't get that sorry. I suspect the powers that be at the BBC have had a word. ****ing copout.

    Monk shouldn't apologise imo.
     
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  17. Monty Fisto

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    I think the problem is Monk called Moses a cheat rather than saying he cheated.
     
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  18. ValleyGraduate12

    ValleyGraduate12 Aberdude's Puppet Forum Moderator

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    If someone has cheated, then surely he's a cheat? Nobody was complaining when Ashley a Young was labelled a diver in all corners of the media.
     
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  19. Dragonborn

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    Don't get that either Monty, sorry.
     
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  20. mustyfrog

    mustyfrog Well-Known Member

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    if one cheats one has cheated, odd comment Monty
     
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