Mon the Singaporians It is not a hard luck story I am leaving my country of birth to better myself as those that undercut my job have done. My skill in China is my language and my Mrs works in import/export so in China that will just be export. I hope our Asian masters make an even better program and your industry becomes obsolete too.
Your freedom to move around Europe how you see fit may be affected by Cameron's actions. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29754168 If you're worried about leaving the EU, I'd suggest you get a move on, pack your bags and leave that cushy, little Crown Dependency you live in and move to another EU state pronto before you get your freedom of movement rights taken away from you. I hear Romania's nice.
Mick doesn't want to pay tax but doesn't mind having his twisted limbs fixed on the NHS for thousands ..
I'm not sure why you think I'd be inclined to defend Cameron or the Tories. I started on this thread by complaining that the UKIP tail is wagging the Tory and Labour dog - and I said it was scary (it is ****ing scary, a mainstream lurch towards illiberalism from the two biggest parties!)
You declare that you have no sympathy for my "hard luck story" so the gloves are off . I had a few pints of Suffolk cider with my lunch out and became animated the English don't beel we rant.
I don't think that. I said Cameron's refusal to pay the fee could result in the EU revoking our membership. However, that's probably unlikely as well because France breaks EU law all the time and they've never had their membership threatened. Are you scared that UKIP-influenced policies could force you to pay taxes? They favour a flat rate of tax and an elimination of tax loopholes.
I don't use any tax loopholes. I just live somewhere where relative to wages it's cheaper, the same way as people shop in LIDL because it's cheaper than Tesco. I'd like to live in London at some point (I'd like to get around a lot more) but it's too bloody expensive - and part (but not all) of that expense is a big tax burden which needs weighed up in any economic decision. I'm scared of UKIP policies because they could restrict that choice - at which point the citizen isn't a consumer of states (I'll take my business elsewhere if I'm getting a **** deal), the citizen becomes the property of the state, you were born here so we own you and what you produce with your own labour.
I'm not a fan of UKIP, in fact, I fundamentally disagree with them on climate change and taxes. However, the accusation that UKIP are in favour of some kind of legitimate serfdom is ridiculous. They're right-wing, but they're not fascist. I'd say they're right-wing libertarians overall. The BNP are fascist because they're socially right-wing/nationalist and economically left-wing/socialist. UKIP's policy on immigration is best evaluated as "quality over quantity". They favour qualified, skilled migrants over unqualified, unskilled migrants, whereas the BNP don't want immigration at all. If you're in favour of free movement of people, why not free movement of people from Commonwealth countries, China, Russia and the USA? Why do Europeans have the right to work in the UK without restriction, but not Australians and Indians? I'm in favour of controlled immigration so that we have a system based on merit rather than geography. A Polish, French, Bulgarian or Scandinavian person has the same right to work in the UK (if they're skilled/qualified) as an Australian, Russian, Canadian or Indian (if they're skilled/qualified).
If I was employing cheep migrant labor or receiving large government handouts I would probably be in favour of a European superstate but since the restrictions to live and work here have been lifted it has not benefited met in any way so I'm obviously not going to sing its praises . Mick doesn't seem to have empathy for anyone who has been effected and lives isolated on his little island saying competition for housing and jobs in London is healthy . Maybe if you do actually take the plunge and move to the capital you would see the bigger picture Mick , I love the multi cultural cosmopolitan buzz but it has many negative sides to it to. Sorry about the foot dig that's not nice .
People see the 'they will restrict incomers' without considering that every other country will start restricting out-goers in return. I think one of the reasons that the US was so successful early on was that all their states competed with each other, on jobs/schools/climate/slavery - people had a choice of state with very different Governments. I read a figure (somewhere in here) that almost half of the UK population still lives within five miles of the where they were living when they were 14 - but that means that half the population is relatively mobile, and with a marketplace of states within the EU that means that Governments have to start behaving themselves if they are to keep their country competitive (think about how many people in England point to Scotland ask why they get free University, and prescriptions etc). I know you are saying I'm taking it too far by comparing UKIP with Fascists, but even using their 'quality' argument they are basically advocating that we close borders only to the working class (I'm sure if you have a degree in law it wouldn't affect you) - I'm from a working class background, I've **** all qualifications - I would never have got a move to Malta if it was based on quality metrics measured by some arsehole bureaucrat. I'd be a hypocrite if I supported closing the system which gave me a chance. I'm in favour of the freedom of movement of people in as far as we can extend it without having huge negative effects (including to other western countries, or countries that are nearly as developed). I think with hindsight it was probably wrong to expand free movement into eastern Europe so soon. Even if it turns out to be the right thing for the majority in the longer term, hindsight shows that it upset a lot of people (like SN) and now we're in danger of getting *****s like UKIP being voted in, which is even worse than never having implemented the policy in the first place. Anyway I think it's too late now - too much, too soon has already happened and there are only negative effects to be had by closing the stable once the horse has already bolted - just maybe take it a bit easy when we let 75 million Turks in
Such laziness from the capitalist patronising leech. UKIP are becoming popular with all nationalities in the UK because they recognise a party that wants to better the lives of all our citizens Just you stick to your tax haven.
Even after my rant i would not vote UKIP ,all politicians are self serving bastards much like the US the elite chose who they want in charge like Boris and his Eton classmate Cameron. I have never voted.
Have another guess. I got made redundant in 2012. After 2 years earning **** money, I'm retraining at 53 years old, and I'm not blaming a worldwide economic recession on immigrants. Incidentally, if you're poorly paid that's because your employers are ****s.
I can fully understand why the *****s who feel let down by the government like Farage and his ideology but he is just anothet ex banker Pied piper figure luring working class people into a future he can't deliver on.
