I doubt Swansea City will be remembered in a hundred years time for Monk having a pop at a diving Stoke City cheat. In fact, no-one will remember it in a month's time. By the way, has Swansea City's name been the laughing stock across Europe over the Utrecht Vorm payment (or non-payment!) as you feared? No, everyone moves on very quickly to the next mini-drama.
Well I was at the game and saw no reaction from him at the time ,I didn't see the after match interview "live " for obvious reasons .I recorded the game and have watched it again and Sky certainly didn't show any histrionics from Monk just after the incident timed at 41:43 seconds onwards , nothing was shown during the pundits commentary at half time and nothing during the second half .the first time any thing which may have shown Monk in a bad light was his post match interview .I can't say whether what you saw was a different broadcast than Sky's but I'm at a loss as to see what you saw during the game itself .
You got to be kidding , Monk almost blew a lung on the sideline with a look that would give Rangel's "" crazy eyes"" a run for his money.Nobodys talking a hundred years feom now adam ,you said that not me. Just millions watching from around the world observing us for 90 minutes judging the type of organisation we are .Same as the ""Vorm"" dig. Not sure how you get the hundred year thing in there , we will see bad results from "" Huws handshake"" over the next few years ...cheers ....off to see my third hockey game ever in Calgary ..woohoo
Very good read, lets hope Monks focus on this issue does some good, very pleased Pulis has come out in support too!............
was interesting to see Pulis come out in support and also to read he was interested in the Cardiff job but they went for Noddy instead
So it's gone from a rabid dog foaming at the mouth , to a manic stare , a world of difference wouldn't you agree.
Is Monk right? Yes. But unfortunately, to the dinosaurs at the FA, UEFA and FIFA, he's not. So, quite simply, because they refuse to progress the game of football, and because we have to live by their rules, he's wrong. In the coming years, and as the dinosaurs become extinct, the game will start to grow. Sepp Blatter was born in 1936 and Greg Dyke in 1947. While I've met many people their age who have grasped and accepted new technology, I'm not really surprised that they can't grasp all the new innovate ideas that can benefit football. In the next 20 years, once they've retired, I expect we'll see more dramatic improvements to the sport's rulings and technology usage. While I appreciate the sentimentality for the 'old' game of football, it must move forward. Every sport or business is constantly in a situation of trial and error, identifying problems and implementing new ways to improve. Football should be no different. Free-kick yard stealing and wall encroachment have been dealt with hugely efficiently this season. Diving and poor refereeing decisions must now be dealt with. To not even bother changing anything in order to preserve 'the original game' will only lead to sports like Cricket and Rugby becoming more successful than football in the next 100 years.
Agree with all of that BK. The game must develop and I've never bought the argument that poor refereeing decisions are "part of the game" and they "give us something to talk about down the pub". There's so much at stake these days and poor decisions can actually lead to relegation - look at the millions a club would lose if that happened. The time is well overdue for limited video reviews on crucial decisions imo, perhaps by giving a set amount of challenges to each manager at the start of a game and limit them to certain criteria such as penalty decisions. A video ref or even the 4th official would only take a minute or two to do that and as in rugby that decision would be final. The argument that it would slow the game down in those limited circumstances is nonsense imo. Interesting that Monk hasn't been fined yet.
don't even start with the video ref, there have been so many fk up in the NRL when the 4th official has or has nor awarded trys, absolute morons and one wonders why they get paid. if there is a video ref will mean more and more decisions the ref will NOT make and refer to the video ref
Seems to work well in rugby musty, not that I'm an egg chasing fan, and there are no moves as far as I'm aware to stop the practice. I think the limit on the number of challenges would ensure that refs still have to take a decision.
You have to say that, in rugby, there are a lot more factors in awarding a decision one way or another though. Was that player offside? Was that a forward pass or did his hands display a backwards motion? Was there blocking/crossing? But then, most importantly, can I see a grounding behind those 3 behemoths lying over the ball? Was there control as he grounded it? Does the fact that his little finger, and only his little finger, was always touching the ball constitute as control? In football, for a penalty, it's did he trip him or not? Did he drag him down or not? Did he handball it or not? It's yes or no, and you rarely get the could've/should've decisions in football like in rugby. Nearly always, you watch the replay back and straight away say "he made a mistake" or "he got that one right". It would take 2 minutes at most to check, and sometimes we wait 2 minutes for a penalty to be taken while the players argue with the ref. It kiils two birds with one stone, the players don't have to argue with the ref because it will be checked by a referee in van, not the referee on the pitch, and you will get the right decision 80% of the time. On TalkSport a couple of weeks ago, they analysed a ref (kept him anonymous) and while he got 80% of his decisions correct in the 10 games they analysed, he got 0/11 big decisions right (i.e. penalties, red cards, free kicks that were scored). 0%! Nada! He got NO big decisions correct! The 80% comes from giving obvious decisions like throw ins, goal kicks and most corners the right way - producing a false statistic that he was 80% efficient. In the big calls, he was 0% efficient. Utterly useless. They need help, and they need it sooner rather than later. Football is 20 years behind Cricket and Rugby who would've been trialling systems to improve their sports long before the systems were actually used at the top level. I don't think comparing to the video ref in rugby is a fair reflection. They are different sports. You have to at least try it in football before you say it's not suited to football. As I said in my original post - trial and error. The powers that be aren't even trialling new technology. That's where the problem lies.
I see it happening as pressure mounts, Goal line technology is now in the Premier league, and I see the Video Ref coming soon, it just has to after Monks protests and Video he has sent, and with the very likelihood of this issue happening again, then the FA will have to do something, managers are fed up with diving cheats, as we all are, there are fine lines between winning and losing at this level, so you do not want to propagate cheats. It's a pet subject of Pulis as well...............
I'm surprised, musty. That really shouldn't happen should it? Don't think there have been issues in the UK.
[video=youtube;KCY6_iyOP5I]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCY6_iyOP5I[/video] Musty and Dragonborn, check this one out! Made me laugh! I can't help but think that this is more a case of hiring numpties to do the job instead of competent human beings. As they say, garbage in garbage out.
As BK said though, decisions should be more clear cut in football. Yes that was a howler. I see our lovely neighbours are supporting Monk. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29754187
