They just need to make sure that there's an easy way to collate opinions. There will never be able to get everyone's opinions... Some people won't be arsed to fill in a survey or what not but I think the majority are somewhere in the middle where they're happy to be heard, happy to fill in a quick form etc... without being heavily invested or members of the Trust. I just want the Trust to not stoop to AA's level by telling fibs about x number of people backing his stance or a "silent majority". Do things thoroughly and properly and the people will follow!
CTWD answers are from CTWD, OLM answers are from OLM, I'm just offering my opinion as someone involved in the topics under discussion.
Ah, so you were using the royal 'we' in some of those responses. It does need to be clear, as that's the sort of confusion that led to the calls for a CTWD specific user name.
'CTWDâs vision is to have a real and significant influence, on behalf of all Hull City AFC supporters (locally, nationally and globally)' With ref to the above objective I believe this is not possible as with any organisation you can only represent it's members. Also any fans reprosentive group should be backed by at least 60 - 70% of season pass holder's only to be a true fans group to represent the majority and not the manority as it is now
CTWD has the mandate afforded to it by it's members. You don't get to dictate what percentage of supporters CTWD needs to have any sort of mandate - it is simply nothing to do with you. Don't like it? Don't join. There are wider issues at play. Also bearing in mind the shennanigans of Mr Allam and his family (re for instance that last sham of a ballot) it is pretty hilarious when people who appear to be pro Allam come out and say what is morally acceptable.
If CTWD want to truly represent the fans then it must have the majority backing of the season ticket holders to have any credibility. Now you've
I'd assumed that was the case, and I appreciate you taking the time to give your view on those questions. I would however appreciate responses to the questions from the CTWD brand, when they have time of course, I realise they're quite busy at the moment, but that was the entire point of this thread. The reason I posted that set btw, was because I couldn't find an official response to any of them. If I missed sommat, can you point it out?
Well I quickly read their statement yesterday. Some of it seemed a little loosely written, but I am sure it was absolutely loads of work to get to that point so thought it was great, and am pleased they are grafting on my behalf. The general gist I took from it was they aim to protect the clubs name (and by extension I guess heritage), and aiming to eventually buy shares and have a seat on the board. There were other things but for me these were the key things and (pretty much) stick in my memory... Clearly it is tricky moving from a single issue organisation to one that looks to more widely represent suporters views. Obviously the people who care most need to get stuck in to get their points across - as I guess you are! But don't strangle the baby - I am sure the people at ctwd have completely the best intentions of the club at heart.
I have tried to show how lobby, campaign, political, social groups work and still not getting my point across. Lets try this, there are millions in the UK who ride bicycles yet the numbers who have actually joined a bicycling group is in the 10's of thousands, but when the government or a local authority want or need the opinion of cyclist it is these organisations they turn to, they don't ask or write to every single cyclist. Its the same for car drivers, truck drivers, motorcyclists pedestrians and football clubs they all have groups of people who were concerned enough to form a group and do something. Over time these groups gain crediblity and become the voice of said hobbies, interests, users etc. In all cases these voice of groups never have a majority of that group as signed up members. Remember the OSC has approx 1800 members, and for years has been in close relations with the club. In effect the voice of the supporters.
That's simply not correct. It depends on the issue, but local groups and individual comments are more often taken ahead of a bigger group with a generic policy. Many large groups are reluctant to get into specific local issues, preferring to stick to general strategies, that are usually the same as Government guidance anyway.
Well that should be reflected in the volume of repeat memberships. If people don't like the message then they won't renew. Saw the thread on cityindependent where you (I assume it was you) seemed to have specific concerns, and I didn't get the details of those concerns in all honesty, but I think those issues will be inevitable with the transition that ctwd might be trying to make from a single issue organisation to one with a wider remit. Being a knobhead I think of the mathematical catastrophe theory, and so think ctwd should stick as close as possible to their core concerns and wait for the landscape to change. They could ask people to pay larger membership fees so they could buy shares in the club in the future given the right circumstances...
That was more the old CTWD, this new CTWD has a broader remit, but it looks like people are't picking up on that.
You digress, but I would have thought a collection of people setting up as a supporters group, would want to take every opportunity to help supporters and demonstrate what can be achieved.
Why do people keep saying this? Adam Pearson gave the last supporters trust short shrift didnt he and that was in the bottom division. There is zero ****ing chance of any Premier League team giving supporters with next to nowt a stake in the club.
With the debt the club holds doubled do you really not see us going down at some point and it all coming unstuck? I suppose there is some chance we will stay up and clear debt, reversing the process of accruing more and more debt!!!!!? But if we do go down what is City worth then? I am no expert on business stuff at all, but I know that things change, and I am certain City's situation will change sooner or later. Why not have a supporters trust with a few quid ready to take advantage of that change?
