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Starting to lose my passion for Arsenal.

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by Sanj, Oct 19, 2014.

  1. Sanj

    Sanj Well-Known Member

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    Is it wrong that I no longer feel anything when we lose or draw games? I been supporting Arsenal since 1997 and I can honestly say that I have never been as dispassionate about the team, as I am about this current team. They do nothing for me. It's just the same s**t every season. Finish second in our CL group, get knocked out in the last 16, fight for the tedious fourth place so we can get kicked out in the 16 in the following season. Get smashed by the bigger teams, players get injured for months upon months, Wenger being an incompetent fool in the transfer windows, the fans saying that he has to get it right in the next window, Wenger being clueless when it comes to tactics, players bottlig it, fans left to argue and fight with each other over our situation, etc, etc.

    I know some will say I am not a true fan, but I do not give a f**, this is just how I feel and it's not going to change with Wenger in charge. The man is an Arsenal legend, and what he has done for club will never be forgotten, but he has been left behind and we are competing with teams who have superior managers. Money is no longer an excuse, this man has the resources and yet we are where we are. This cycle is so painfully dull and sadly we have another three years of this s**t. Between 2005-2011, we won f** all, but at least we played brilliant football, and even that is now gone from a Wenger team. And off the pitch, that c**t Stan takes a nice £3 Mil out of the club for some 'advice' he gave, so it's even more depressing off the pitch, because what is going to stop him from taking more money out of the club? ah f** this ****.
     
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  2. cini65

    cini65 Well-Known Member

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    Sums me up too. Doesn't matter if we win, lose, draw because you know exactly how every season will pan out with AW in charge.
     
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  3. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    I recognise the frustrations, but I will always be passionate about Arsenal.

    I know people have said it's not a reason to compare us to where we were 30 years ago to use an excuse for our failings today and to a point I agree with this. Especially when we see the same mistakes coming back to haunt us each season. I desperately want them to be addressed, but looking at the bigger picture, Arsenal are doing well and Wenger has performed miracles with our club. It could have been such a different scenario. Most teams in the premier league would give their left bollock to be where we are.

    I guess if you've supported Arsenal since Wenger arrived, then his early years compared to now are going to look grim. If you've supported Arsenal since the early 80's (me) or before, then this period is still a good era in our club.

    The last ten years was always going to be difficult, with paying off the stadium and then the mega bucks spent by Chelsea and City. Again not wanting to brush over the clear areas for improvement from us, Wenger has done a great job of ensuring that this team has been in the top 4 and Champions league every season. Especially when up against the clear policy from the board that we had to sell a top player each season to balance the books.

    We're on a poor run at the moment, so feelings of frustrations are always going to be running high. I think our form will improve this season and some of the optimism will return. Longer term, is Wenger still the man to manage us ? For now yes, because we're not going to sign Klopp tomorrow or at the end of the season. Wenger's time is coming to an end at this club, my feeling is that we should support him and the players we have, because anything else is counter productive for me.

    Anyway, I do recognise and feel the same frustrations as other Arsenal fans, but lose my passion ? Never
     
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  4. TheBear

    TheBear Well-Known Member

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    Being a football supporter requires a certain amount of faith.

    I would be positive and still support Arsenal if we were languishing in the first division.
     
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  5. UnitedinRed

    UnitedinRed Well-Known Member

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    So.... You get your passion back when you win then?
     
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  6. suker_suker

    suker_suker Well-Known Member

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    I have supported Arsenal since the early nineties and I must admit that I have never felt less excited about watching my team play. I will always cling to the hope that we will start putting a good run together, but we are no longer that exciting to watch and we have no realistic chance of competing for anything but fourth place. Again.

    I guess the best word to describe the way I feel about Arsenal is 'numb.'

    When Hull scored their second goal, I was frustrated but not distraught. When we equalized, I was satisfied, but not elated.

    I no longer check the scores of our rivals' matches with anything like the enthusiasm with which I used to. This is because it doesn't matter an awful lot whether City or Chelsea drop points; we won't catch them.

    We are stagnating under Wenger and it's depressing.
     
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  7. cini65

    cini65 Well-Known Member

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    We've not won the big trophies since May 2004. The passion did not end then.
     
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  8. UnitedinRed

    UnitedinRed Well-Known Member

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    Cini, the same things are said every single season by arsenal fans? Fickle as **** some of you. When arsenal win you are gods, when you dont its always over exaggerated doom and gloom.
     
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  9. Arsenal87

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    But the issue of the stadium being paid off wasn't really an issue anymore, that's dealt with, our finances are in order, we have money we can spend now according to the club themselves, Wenger's even been on about how we aren't financially shackled anymore, so that can't be brought up anymore in relation to this season. As for Chelski and City mega bucks, yeah in years gone by we couldn't compete with their resources, to a degree we still can't, but this season there was no reason we couldn't match them in the transfer market, in fact didn't we even spend roughly the same amount as Chelski this transfer window if not more?

    Our current poor position has nothing to do with Chelski or City's finances, but more down to us not flexing our financial muscles and signing the players we needed, like a CB, and a DMF. It's not like we wanted player A and so did Chelski and City who blew us out of the water with a much better financial offer. Heck we had the opportunity to get one of Chelski's best current players, Fabregas, so the reason why he's there is because we didn't want him.

    And then there's the bigger problems not only related to signing players, but Wenger's poor tactics, and the obvious poor training methods that are leading to so many injuries, unless someone thinks it's just bad luck and coincidence that we get so many injuries.
     
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  10. cini65

    cini65 Well-Known Member

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    A question mark suggests this is a question... but I don't really get what question you're asking.

    Show me post where I've said this.

    Show me a post where I've said this.
     
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  11. UnitedinRed

    UnitedinRed Well-Known Member

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    Cini are you a representative of all arsenal fans?

    If not why are you presuming i am referring to you?

    And the ? Is simply asking why. Why do they go to extremes after every result?
     
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  12. PINKIE

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    That's why I said 'the last ten years', it wasn't really referring to the present day, although the last ten years obviously have a bearing on where we are now. Even then, it takes time to feel the effect of having the money available. It isn't suddenly one day we're skint, the next title challengers. It will take some time. There's no way you can discount the effect that City and Chelsea have had on the premier league and the ability for other teams to challenge them, you don't spend a billion quid on each squad without that having a massive effect on other teams.

    I do however agree with most of your points about us needing to show more guile in the market. We've made great signings with Ozil and Sanchez, but not signing a CB or a DM was negligent and it's decisions like this that have been costing us for season after season, being one or two players short to compete at the top. I would have loved to have seen Fabregas back at Arsenal, but the cold truth is that we didn't need to sign him as we're well stocked in that area and we need that cash to buy a CB and DM.
     
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  13. cini65

    cini65 Well-Known Member

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    Because you started your message with 'Cini'
     
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    UnitedinRed Well-Known Member

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    And?

    I soon follow it up with 'arsenal fans'
     
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    cini65 Well-Known Member

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    I might be putting words into Sanj's mouth but I think the gist of the thread is that what we 'need' to do is irrelevant nowadays. The feeling is there (from Sanj it seems, and me too) that with Wenger in charge we aren't going to do what we think we need to do. These is no evidence to support this. So we're stuck with 3 years of pointless water treading. Ergo apathy and pointlessness.
     
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  16. cini65

    cini65 Well-Known Member

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    Do they? I presume by 'they' you're talking about TT (in the positive extreme) and A87 and Not PC (in the negative extreme).

    Does TT ever go to the negative extreme after a bad result?

    Does A87 and Not PC ever go into the positive extreme after a good result?

    I don't ever see any poster going from one extreme to the other... they're pretty consistent in their stance.
     
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  17. UnitedinRed

    UnitedinRed Well-Known Member

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    Nah in general. Obviously many are sensible but far to many arsenal fans go from one extreme to the other on a weekly basis. I dont know of any other set of fans who are like that.

    Your matchgoing fans boo their own team more than most other clubs too. So its not just a select few. Its almost as if a large portiom of your support feel they are entitled to success.

    Oh and a87 and pcnuff are tye first to claim how amazing arsenal are after every win. When you dont win they are tge first to lead tye wenger out charge.
     
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  18. cini65

    cini65 Well-Known Member

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    Sweeping generalisation that you have no proof of.

    Again this thread is not about success. It's about general apathy.

    Show me posts confirming this... I don't remember seeing anything like this recently. Just happiness that we've won. Nothing about saying how amazing we are.

    At least they're consistent...?!
     
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  19. UnitedinRed

    UnitedinRed Well-Known Member

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    You clearly dont read your board or watch any arsenal games.

    It couldnt get any clearer. Try reading some of their posts after your last win. Or the fa cup win.

    We shall leave it at that. Can i recommend specsavers?
     
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  20. cini65

    cini65 Well-Known Member

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    So what you mean is... you can't find any posts showing this?
     
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