Didn't you start this thread? Bit of a strange comment from someone who is looking to debate a topic. In my opinion Evans was wrongly convicted. If a girl being to drunk is the rule then about half the male population is at risk of being accused of rape. People get drunk, its a normal thing now. ****, if it worked the other way, I could accuse many a girl of raping me, simply because I dont remember the night before. Doesnt mean i didnt want it at the time. As for him coming back into football. Its simple, no. No matter how justified it becomes or how innocent he was before, during and after the trial. He got convicted of rape. People will read that title and immediately assume hes a predator hunting down women. It will draw extreme negative attention to the club and that club will always been known as the club that employs rapists. Like I said, i didnt think he was guilty. But I dont think the general public are capable of moving past something that is that disgraceful, no matter what the circumstances.
What's the point of sending people to jail and releasing them if they aren't allowed to use their skills to earn a living?
I put more faith in people than you do. Where's the value, "profit" and benefit in continuing to castigate somebody who has served their time or deny them access to their best profession. It is just a petty and spiteful attitude on the part of people with a self-righteous attitude .... which by the way they lose pretty ****ing quickly the moment they **** up and find themselves standing on the other side of the fence.
I've got an idea ... why don't we start a penal colony. Greenland is thawing out; let's annex a part of that island from the Danes and ship them all over there. When people have done their time and sensitive types like Dai can't abide having them around because their "sensibilities" are somehow insulted then we can ship them there and forget about them. They can kill polar bears or seals or whatever it is you do on Greenland to stay alive. Perhaps they'll become the new Australia in a couple of hundred years and then beat the crap out of us at cricket, rugby and perhaps even football. Why did we stop sending convicts to Australia anyway .... did we suddenly mature as a society and realize that that wasn't a particularly humane way to treat people .... when exactly did we regress to being the self-righteous, my s**t never stinks types that would now deny Evans and people like him the pursuit of their lives and freedom .... which society deemed it just and sufficient to deny them, for a limited time, for their crimes.
swans-m,No.182. "If a girl being too drunk is the rule..." Surely it's not a question of "a girl being too drunk",it's more whether permission for the sex to take place was actually given by the girl. If her alleged drunkenness precluded her from giving her consent, and the male helped himself,then that's rape, whichever way you cut it. If "half the male population" take it upon themselves to have sex with a drunken girl,without her consent,then they are all committing rape. My understanding of the case is that Evans had sex with a drunken girl,without her permission. That's rape,and the jury agreed. He was guilty as charged.
In theory you are right Lib. I think the point that some are making is that in the given circumstances this was the same woman who had been deemed capable of giving permission to another minutes earlier so the result is curious to say the least. In my experience if the CCRC genuinely believe there was a miscarriage they'll take up the case and it'll be reversed. If it's a jury matter that they could have decided either way then neither they nor the Court of Appeal will interfere. Whatever the case he's stuck with it for now. Yankee summed up the OP's question accurately imo: "...when exactly did we regress to being the self-righteous, my s**t never stinks types that would now deny Evans and people like him the pursuit of their lives and freedom..." All this nonsense about him having to be treated harshly because he's a "role model". Utter tosh. Footballers stopped being role models some time ago imo and kids are astute enough these days to know that just because a professional footballer does something wrong that doesn't make that conduct right or acceptable. Louis Suarez bites players with regularity - a physical assault that harms another. Is he banned from plying his trade because he's a 'role model'? Of course not. Have we seen a surge in youngsters playing the game all over the world and who idolized him start biting opponents? Nope. Our own Nathan Dyer is a thief isn't he? Convicted in court. Was there a surge in Southampton fans rushing out to steal from purses? Nope. Do you think Southampton fans suddenly thought theft was OK? I doubt it. Why? Because the message was clear. It was wrong what you did, now take your punishment and move on, just like Evans should be allowed to do. Allowing him back into football doesn't "send a message to the fans that rape is OK". Who the **** are these people who churn out such crap?
Just to clarify my stance here. I think he was guilty of rape,but he has now served his time and should be free to resume his career wherever that may take him.
I gathered that Lib and I agree. Unless you actually see every minute of a trial, assessing the quality of witnesses, how they come across, how they respond to questions asked and so on it's very difficult to make an assessment on guilt or innocence. The best is a full transcipt (not a summary) including every question asked and how it was answered. Even then you don't get a full flavour. From what I've read about the case the guilty verdict does seem strange but I'm the first to confess I wasn't in court. Most times juries get it right but they often get it wrong too - that's a fact. We've strayed a bit with the thread because that wasn't the OP's question, and in answer to that question I'm glad to see that most here don't believe in starting a penal colony in Greenland.
Your right of course lib and thats how i see it but the question here is should he be allowed back into a job that puts him firmly back into the public eye where other young girls and boys can see and hear the abuse he will obviously get. Would we let a teacher back working in schools or a doctor being allowed to practice ? No we would not and we should not allow ched back for the same reason.....He is the one who committed the crime remember so now he must accept the consequences...
But I can produce a comprehensive list of posters who could well qualify for an extended stay in that penal colony. A bit unfair on the local wildlife though.
Just because a jury finds someone guilty as charged, does not mean that they are actually guilty, and there is fair grounds for concern in this case, and I am not going to get on the media band wagon by saying he 'is a Rapist', because I do not know that, and neither do the jury for that matter, all that has happened is that in the Jury's opinion he raped the girl, I beg to differ on this, and I will wait upon the outcome of the CCRC. Ched Evans has always maintained his innocence throughout all this, and new evidence will be presented which was not available at the original trial, also the police made a false statement, denying that the victim had tweeted that she had 'won big' bragging to her friends etc, when in actual fact she had done so. Of course she was so drunk she couldn't remember ever consenting? but she could walk straight in the hotel lobby though. It's interesting to note that the girl did not bring a charge of Rape, but this was deduced from the police questioning of Ched Evans and his mate? So many issues on this case that have not been answered by the original trail, I cannot see how this conviction is safe. What amazes me regarding the police in this is that they clearly cannot be bothered about Rape and Child abuse 90% of the time, but when they have a high profile player dangling it's high noon time!...........
