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The Rooney rule! Positive discrimination or Affirmative action

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  1. sacafc

    sacafc New Member

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    Just wondered what everybody's thoughts are on the Rooney rule.

    I think the debate brings into question that if there is a necessity to bring in the Rooney rule does that make football inherently racist? or is it simply a exercise in equal opportunities? should it stop at black people?
    Should it also include other footballing minorities such as Women?

    I would like to clarify that I am in no way a bigot/racist oXenaphobe and that my opinion is very much open. I do understand and want more diversity in football but based on merit. I know that this maybe a Utopian argument but surely 95% of FC boardrooms cannot be discriminating? or can they?

    I would be interested to hear you thoughts.
     
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  2. ForestHillBilly

    ForestHillBilly Well-Known Member

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    The Rooney rule is only about who is interviewed for a job. The employers are free to choose whoever they like after the interviews. No complaints about that from me.
     
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  3. typical

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    Why do we have to apply the Rooney rule at all? The yanks are inherently apologetic for slavery, but apparently limited in memory, I can't recall Chief Sitting Bull getting the Defensive Coach Job at whatever arbitory animal and city they sling together. I don't have to apologise for anything. Best man for the job is the English way except in policing, local authority or any government job.

    If you applied the Rooney rule to sports then why not politics? or medicine and have Dr Dre perform heart by passess.
     
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  4. Holden Chinaski

    Holden Chinaski Well-Known Member

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    I find the Rooney Rule rather waste of time, especially if it is to be adopted in Britain. In an age in which Generation X and Generation Y (who tend to be a lot more liberal) are taking over, introductions of this rules would become more and more redundant by the day. In one of the latest ipsos MORI polls, Britain is one of the most racial tolerant countries in the world.

    An adoption of such would indicate that we are a land of Racists, Bigots and Nigel Farage's (whom funny enough the average UKIP supporter tends to be technologically backwards, 65 and low IQs).

    I suspect this just the usual c*** spewing out of the FA, to justify the millions and millions they make, hiding behind a smokescreen with a topic as such.
     
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    It is pernicious, politically correct, Maoist bollox, driven by a rag tag coalition of people like Jason Roberts, Baroness Lawrence, Guardian readers, and sandal and chino wearing lawyers with large mansions from Islington (see T.Blair, M.Bragg, S.Fry etc).

    The cream always rises to the top in any walk of life. They don't need quotas or leg ups.
     
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    Holden Chinaski Well-Known Member

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    If the best guy for the job is black (or any other minority) and someone doesn't want to give them a job then that's: their choice; their loss.
     
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  8. SuperChrissyisfantasticPardswasatrocious

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    Today on the train there was a lady talking with a friend about feminism (she made it clear she was all for it). However, she complained when a man didnt give up his seat to her.

    What relevance does this have? No idea.
     
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  9. ForestHillBilly

    ForestHillBilly Well-Known Member

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    Predictable responses. Introducing the Rooney rule doesn't imply that we're bigots any more than laws against burglary imply that we're all out on the thieve at night. It doesn't force any employer to employ a coach they don't want to, just give an interview, that's all.
    Vol- cream doesn't always rise to the top in my experience. Brown-nosing and "jobs-for-the-boys" are as old as the hills. And are Old Etonians the most able people in the country to the extent that they have to dominate the government? Is Ed Miliband the most able person to call them to account? It's more likely to happen if there is a system in place to encourage cream to rise to the top. The Rooney Rule is a very gentle step in that direction IMO.
     
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  10. Ponders Revisited

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    Despite being s**te at their jobs, politicians invariably keep their positions. Results mean nothing in the world of politics.

    In football a manager will lose his job if he is useless. Results are everything.

    If a black manager does well, he will rise to the top in the same way as anyone else

    I don't really see the big deal about the Rooney Rule, though; this country is already sliding the pan and into the sewer.
     
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  11. ForestHillBilly

    ForestHillBilly Well-Known Member

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    No, I don't think it's a big deal.
     
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    Patronage cuts both ways FHB. It is not just down to which school you went to. I know a fair few Labour MPs - every one of them got their job through the sponsorship and influence of a trade union - either UNITE or UNISON. How is that fair to the people who want to become a Labour MP, but don't have trade union backing?
     
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  13. ForestHillBilly

    ForestHillBilly Well-Known Member

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    They still have to get the approval of their local party. Most senior MP's now have never had a proper job anyway. At least when union officials became labour MP's and successful businessmen became Tory MP's they had in some way proved themselves in the same world that you and I inhabit.
     
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  14. typical

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    I notice that champion of equality and diversity Rio Ferdinand has dropped himself in it again by making derogatory remarks about someone's mum and provoking a gender slur. That's is on top of calling Ashley Cole a choc ice.

    Has he got to be the biggest tampon in football or the best exponent of the double standard step over?
     
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    Rio just isn't intelligent - it's that simple. I have respect for him as every time at he travelled to the Valley he would spend a fair amount of time outside of the coach talking to kids and signing autographs, but he needs to realise he can never be a voice of reason.
     
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  16. ForestHillBilly

    ForestHillBilly Well-Known Member

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    Rio's problem seems to be that he wants to be black, and he's actually mixed race.
     
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    typical Well-Known Member

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    Rio is thick. Granted.

    But so I am I. I won't talk about things that I know I will get swallowed up in, like football tactics, cooking, pregnancy etc.

    If your gonna get in a gun fight don't go armed with a banana.
     
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    That depends on what the other person is armed with <ok>...... but I guess the term gunfight sort of gives that away?
     
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    It's all about knowing your limits.

    Rio is thick, but has the likeable but transparent tendency to try and kid himself that he is intelligent.

    What's more annoying is that he seems to think he speaks for minorities. As an approaching minority myself, I would rather our self elected poster boy did not have the intellectual capacity of a tangerine and all the charm and sophistication of a beheading.
     
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    Rio is a great example of the stupidity of positive discrimination. There are over 1,000 white footballers who are more intelligent and coherent than he is, yet the likes of BT Sport and ITV are falling over themselves to make him a TV pundit. Everyone can see he is as thick as arseholes, and makes Ian Wright look like David Starkey, but what the hell.

    He has clearly got major issues about his skin colour.
     
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