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Roy Bloody Hodgson....

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING, Oct 13, 2014.

  1. SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING

    SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING Well-Known Member

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    It's a fair enough opinion to have and it may well be an element of truth in it, we may never know but I do believe that he's genuinely telling Roy what his body feels like. I'm pretty sure that he's been educated to do that too.

    Look, you're 19, you've just seen a team mate lose out for several weeks because he was made to train differently to 'what his body was saying' (i'm paraphrasing a bit but you know what i mean), you're genuinely tired and concerned about your form and fitness (his form's been a bit off, we all know it), You think you need rest to get your form back, you don't want to let everyone down....What would you do? I feel for the lad, I really do.....

    Perhaps he's been a bit naive.....but he shouldn't have been thrown under the bus. Roy has used the lad to get send a shot back at Rodgers over the Sturridge affair. He shouldn't have done that at all imo. And fair enough, if he's been put under pressure by the club then he's been put in a horrible situation but there's no evidence of that at all....and if there was, Sterling should not be pilloried!! If that was the case, it would be both Rodgers and Hodgson who should be in the spotlight.....

    But right now, there is no evidence whatsoever that Sterling was 'told to be tired'. So it's just Hodgson who should be getting stick imo.

    If it transpires that the club pressurised Sterling, then I'd be critical of both club and country managers. But not the lad at all. He's a kid ffs <ok>
     
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  2. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    Teaching him a lesson? A 19 year old lad, taking advice from his club manager - a man who has guided and improved Sterling immensely over the past couple of years?

    Very harsh lesson if you ask me - unsurprising since Roy is completely out of touch with higher level football management.
     
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  3. DirtyFrank

    DirtyFrank Well-Known Member

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    It's a Roy mental character test....like the Roy physical character test he gave Sturridge....if he crys at the mean England fans abuse he gets dropped.......

    I can't wait until he starts throwing new born babies at Hart to test his reflexes.....
     
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  4. SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING

    SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING Well-Known Member

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    Why those words? Someone who did that (and I have every respect for anyone who does anything to raise money/awareness) wouldn't dream of using those words, in any order.

    Wumming is one thing, what you wrote is another. #sceptical
     
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  5. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    The man should not be managing at the top level.

    I do find it funny how people say he's experienced and well travelled - hasn't won anything meaningful over his entire career, poor win percentage at big clubs, and whilst he has managed in other countries (which is respectable), he has merely imposed his own outdated, English tactics in those countries. It's not as if he taken things from new cultures and new styles.

    He has adopted the same methods throughout his miserable career.
     
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  6. Tobes

    Tobes Warden Forum Moderator

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    Listen, if Rodgers wanted the lad rested then he should have had the stones to speak directly to Woy.

    If Woy then said feck off, then he's simply got to accept that.

    If he's leaned on the lad instead (mid camp) then he's the one who's thrown the lad under a bus, not Woy.
     
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  7. SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING

    SIR_KENNY_KLOPP_KING Well-Known Member

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    If, If, If does not make a great argument.

    If all 3 are right though, and that's a massive IF, then both of them need there heads cracking together - I think Lineker has come out today and said the same.

    Right now, there's only one fact available, hence the disgruntlement with Hodgson.
     
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  8. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    I'm no fan of him and he certainly wasn't the man for us but he has done well over the years and does know what he's doing to some degree. In Sweden he introduced zonal marking something which was not popular at the time and it did work.
     
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  9. Jürgenmeiʃter

    Jürgenmeiʃter Top top top top top flirt

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    "“Unbelievable. What do you mean by that? In 35 years, how many clubs have I had? What do you mean do my methods translate? They have translated from Halmstads to Malmo, to Orebo to Neuchatel Xamax, to the Swiss national team, so I find the question insulting. To suggest that because I have moved from one club to another, that the methods which have stood me in good stead for 35 years and made me one of the most respected coaches in Europe don’t suddenly work is very hard to believe.”" Hodgson

    "They have translated from Halmstads to Malmo, to Orebo to Neuchatel Xamax" Who??? <laugh> <laugh>
    "and made me one of the most respected coaches in Europe" <laugh> <laugh>

    The guy is an idiot
     
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  10. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    Rodgers adopted a similar approach with Sturridge - he talked with Roy and the England medical staff about the optimum training plain that should be used. Did Roy listen? No he did not.
     
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  11. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    He has a certain level - mid table/relegation. Anything higher and he is completely out of his depth.
     
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  12. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    And a coward. He's extremely quick to deflect attention away from himself and his teams performances. The fact that he is quick to deflect that attention onto a 19 year is cowardly and it shows you the kind of character he really is.
     
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  13. danilo.

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    Rodgers spoke to Hodgson for FOUR hours about a specialised training program for Sturridge. Hodgson proceeded to ignore it.

    Rodgers didn't ask for the lad to be rested. Knowing Roy, that would lead to Sterling playing and training all day and night to test his resolve.

    Sterling came out and said he wasn't feeling great or focused enough and if he could sit this one out or on the bench. I don't see the problem with this. It is his body, not Hodgson's, not England's. It isn't Liverpool's either. Had he asked Rodgers for a rest I'd expect the same treatment.

    What Roy has done is talked to the media about an issue in depth that he absolutely should not have done. In doing so, he has opened up a can of worms with Sterling in the middle of a feud that essentially stems from Hodgson's refusal to adapt player training schedules to reflect their club (and employer) practices.

    It should have been dealt with behind closed doors. If Hodgson had no problem with it as he claims, he should have shut up and dealt with it. By blabbing to the media, he has thrown a 19 year old under the bus to prove a point. What sort of manager does that? A self-serving, petty twat of a manager, that's who.
     
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  14. RogerisontheHunt

    RogerisontheHunt Well-Known Member

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    What I don't get is how he's still in the job, failed at two international tournaments now. Granted at Euro 2012 it wasn't really his team and had a couple of months in the job before the tournament, even so the performances were ****. However for the WC he'd had a full two years in the job and a full qualifying round, and still we failed miserably with appalling performances and going out after 2 games.

    The previous managers where far more successful and took similar teams, maybe slightly better squads, to QF's and the one who didn't was sacked pretty quickly after he failed to qualify. These managers would have been lambasted and run out of the job for doing what Woy has done.
    Woy is trading off the idea that the squad is poor and the talent pool is limited. Whilst this is true, it doesn't excuse the performances or the media and player handling.

    Remember Capello was great a qualifying and made it look easy, but people weren't happy with his style and his resignation was happily taken by the FA. But at least Capello knew how to play tournament football.
     
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  15. DirtyFrank

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    What was Roy saying about the Germans again....

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12023/9516419/joachim-low-germany-players-are-overworked
     
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  16. johnsonsbaby

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    Anyone remember the Baines 'I'm homesick' comment from the 2010 WC? Granted it wasn't RH releasing it [he was too busy quietly staging his impending move to LFC] but these 'private' conversations always seem to find a way out.
     
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  17. But did it though? Raheem is the brightest prospect England have and I've already heard pundits claiming he is the first pick after Rooney on the team sheet (I don't agree with that). Sterling could take a **** on Woy's face, he'd still get picked because England are **** and lack quality players <laugh>
     
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  18. Lucaaas

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    Only a dinosaur would think playing a player through injury to test his commitment is a good idea.

    So its no surprise to see the same guy does not understand, or simply cannot accept, Liverpool's modern and forward thinking when it comes to injuries, rest and training.
     
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  19. UnitedinRed

    UnitedinRed Well-Known Member

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    Very modern. Play such players in league cup games for 120 minutes then cry when england call them upnforna qualifier.

    Well ****ing done liverpool, youve outdone yourselves yetbagain.
     
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  20. DirtyFrank

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    You know he got rested in the villa match right? You know we had key injuries and a string of poor performances leading up to that match right?

    So we managed him priority wise for our games. I'm fairly sure it's not an opposition supporters place to debate which club match we prioritise him for and certainly he isn't going to be rested at club level so he can play for England.

    Show me where Raheem approached Rodgers with the same issue and was ignored and you may then have even remotely a logical point. Otherwise you look like a tit.
     
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