It's important to note he didn't attack some woman in the street, drag her into a bush at knife point and rape her with her begging him to stop. This is more of a technical rape.
Dangerous distinction. Rape is rape. There may be different scenarios leading to a rape, with some appearing worse than others, but it is rape. It's like only being a little dishonest.
Anyway, at the risk of going back to basics, he's been convicted (nobody on this thread knows the true details of what happened, but the court at least heard evidence that could be corroborated or challenged). He's been punished under the law of the land and is entitled to get on with his life, IMO. Vin
Now I would on some occasions agree with you...I am not one that think all rapes are the same, especially some that aren't clear cut, but taking advantage of an unconscious woman is the same as knocking her over the head first. There is no consent. There is often massive psychological damage and loss of trust, especially after going through a court case...traumatic in itself. Remember that most women refuse to put themselves through it.
And just to put this in perspective for some of you...how would you feel if after a night out, you woke to find a couple of men had had sex with you and there were pictures out there proving it. There was a recent rape of a man in the news recently....would never underestimate what that did to his confidence and sense of self worth.
He was sober and attacked in a public toilet (if I'm thinking about the same story, this happened in Brighton). He didn't get drunk and go to a place where men get drunk and try to have sex with other drunk men. It's the same distinction I was trying to make earlier between violent rape and technical rape.
Men are often told imagine if that was your sister, daughter or mother. I would rather say imagine if that was you? The confidence that you should naturally have every time you step out the door could be destroyed for ever. It is only an accident of birth that makes you a man rather than a woman. The difference for a man is that it is unlikely to ruin their future sex life and relationships, but it certainly can for some women.
Reading about Adam Chapman there, also mentioned on the piece and something humerous came up. In October 2012, while shaking his baby's milk, he left the cap off the bottle and the boiling milk spilled onto his chest, scalding his nipple. He went to A&E, but recovered to play in Oxford's 3–1 away win against Wycombe Wanderers the following day
the law is full of distinctions. premeditated or not, murder or manslaughter, voluntary or involuntary. there are shades. though i'm not sure there's any legal recognition of it, there's a difference between driving to a venue, drinking in full knowledge you will be driving back Vs drinking in your own home and while intoxicated making the impaired decision to drive somewhere. rape, like race and like pay rises in microsoft is a touchy subject and so people only see it in black and white (nopun)
for the record, i assume i'm going to be hit by a dangerous driver and raped by a burly prison escapee whenever i leave my home and sometimes while i'm still in it. i try to minimise the chances by not drinking.
I don't mean to have an argument. I meant they are exposed to it; you read they all take part. Language is a bummer.
Making sure you aren't off your face is sensible advice for anyone. One mistake, one accident can be life changing. However, you can't tell people this and hopefully most are unscathed.
There is truth when someone says to you "but you do not how I feel" This is so true........Only people that have experienced rape no matter what gender, truly understands what it is like. Some of us may have experienced what it does to people who suffer that terrible fate. We have an idea of how they feel, we can even hazard a good guess as to how they may feel........but not actually know. To say "but she put herself in that situation by attending a bar where men drink" is just preposterous in my view. That is like saying "coming in a bar dressed like that so she asked for it" Any man who takes advantage of a situation like that deserves all he gets and more!!! I think the man would have got more pleasure from someone who could respond than someone who was virtually unconscious during the act itself! As someone else said Rape is rape no matter how you put it.
there's probably some parallels with pensioners who have been conned or burgled and feel helpless and violated. granted there is a scale issue. i'm not sure anyone has said different. some people seem ready to assume that's what ched evans did and in full control of his actions though when that might not be the case.
p.s. in addition to not drinking I also do not intend to go cycling in india or do aid work in syria.
Yes... but is all killing "murder"? In my opinion, this is part of the problem with the conviction rate for rape. If there were different offences linked to rape, based on the degree of premeditation, communication, alcohol impairment (to both parties) and so on, in the same way that unlawful killings are differentiated from cold blooded murder through manslaughter to criminal negligence (or even self defence), then many juries would be more comfortable to convict. The insistence that ALL rape cases are labelled as the same offence (if not the same sentence) means that the serial prowler who violently attacks women at random is labelled with the same crime and stigma as the young lad who misreads a situation or wilfully ignores a last minute change of mind. The latter two are not excusable, but a jury would be more likely to convict those of a "lesser" seriousness and would possibly be more chary of labelling them as full blown rapists. (They would need to be 100% certain that the intent was malign). The only current thinking about rape convictions seems to be that the burden of proof be lessened which seems to be inheritently unsustainable (especially when compared to the guidelines relating to other serious offences). BTW I am aware of the devastating impact of any rape on the victim. However, the grading of killing offences is based on the intent of the perpetrator (the victim is equally dead in all cases). Similarly, the fact that the victim is equally devastated in all rape cases does not mean that the perpetrator has necessarily intended to commit the same degree of offence. I run the risk of seeming to be unsympathetic to victims.....nothing could be further from the truth, but it does seem to be incongruous that we allow our emotions to dictate in the case of rape, while being quite relaxed about differentiating between the various labels used for the "ultimate" crime.
