http://www.nufcblog.com/2010/10/18/one-more-strike-and-carroll-should-be-kicked-out-of-newcastle/ Andy Carroll has punched a girlfriend before and is still playing (when not injured) in the prem. In fact he has had three official complaints of attacking women.
Nice. I didn't know that. Dislike him even more now than I did before (which, to be fair, is quite difficult ..................)
He's been convicted of committing a crime. He's served the sentence for that crime given to him under UK law as administered by the court. He's had his punishment under law, so on what basis should he be punished further? Vin
the woman he raped has to live with it for the rest of her life. his "punishment" is not justice. his behaviour and that of his girlfriend/family/friends towards the victim in this case shows what a sick rapist he really is. would you be happy for your wife/sister to be working with him? I certainly wouldn't want to be!
Forgive me, and I'm not trying to trivialise this, but that would be the case regardless of whether he was able to go back playing football. As I say, it is what you view as the purpose of the criminal justice system - Punishment or rehabilitation. For the later, he should be allowed to play football again. You don't have to like the guy, but he has served his time.
What I want is irrelevant. We have laws that operate for the general good. If you want a society that lives under the rule of law then it behoves everyone to live with the good and the bad that flows from it. Similarly, if you want cases to be decided by public opinion rather than courts, you'll have to live with the consequences of that. It's not possible to have it both ways. If you want convicted rapists never to be employable again then let your MP know. Campaign to get the law changed. If you can get a majority to agree with you it'll become the law of the land (though human rights legislation would almost certainly prevent it). I'll support it wholeheartedly. Until then, he's been convicted and punished under the current law of the land, so one of the costs of living in a democracy with a rule of law is that things like this will happen. Vin
1. Because it was administered by the justice system, then it is 'justice' in the eyes of the law. 2. Or that he genuinely does believe he is innocent, or has been wrongly sentenced/judged - it's happened before. Rape cases are exceptionally tricky. 3. The 'consensual sex' line is a difficult one sometimes, and I am not trying to excuse him, as he's had his legal judgement in that sense - but he is also entitled to a review. In my mind, he didn't set upon her in a dark alley way and act aggressively, as many rapists do - now I may be putting my neck on the line here, but this seems like a case of excessively drunk individuals making poor decisions (who would've thought) and regretting them afterwards. I wasn't in the room that night so I can't really judge, to be fair. So, I wouldn't be too concerned about a female family member working with him in that particular instance. (prepares for ****storm...)
Can I also ask a question, Jen? If he was working as a car mechanic/sheet metal worker/clerk in a shipping company/any job other than the high profile one he has, would you be calling for him never to be allowed to work again? It is, as I often point out, a genuine question. Where would you draw the line? Vin
but you'd never know would you. this case is different because he used his fame because he thought he could get away with it and he wants to resume his glitzy showbiz football life with all the trappings of fame and fortune. if he had any decency, he would disappear and try to move on out of the public eye. I didn't say he should never work again...
You could argue that he doesn't choose to have a glitzy, celebrity lifestyle. He chooses to play football. He's good at football. He can be well-paid, due to football. Now, it's only the demand and clamour of the population that results in rolling news coverage, live broadcasts and various other features.
That's really not what I said, and it's quite a shame if you want to turn the discussion that way. I was just looking at and talking about the case. At no point did I say what he did in the eyes of the law was fair, nor that she lied, or otherwise.
I actually agree on your 3rd point there. There is a very thin line and none of us know what happened that night but you see alot of women who put out when drunk then cry rape because they're ashamed. Now I'm not for one second saying that is what happened here, as like I said above - no one knows. But I highly doubt he is a rapist in the strictest sense of the word. I highly doubt he went looking for the drunkest girl out there and as a footballer, you're gonna have girls with no self respect swarming all over you the majority of the time anyway.
Tg The point of law on which this whole case rests is very clear: a woman under the influence of drink or drugs is not capable of consenting to sex, so therefore what happened was rape. I am normally very much in favour of offenders of any kind being rehabilitated, but the problem is that Ched Evans still denies gult. If he would only demonstrate remorse at his crime things might be different, that is the reason there is a campaign against his reinstatement at Sheffield Utd. He should accept the blame for the offence he has served time for and the everyone can begin to move on.
More aimed that lad bollocks which has come about in the last few years with the growth of internet. Obviously been around since the early days of humanity where men over power women. A tad different though as he got her trashed then took advantage.
Still, both things you mention above are not new, and have been happening for years. The lad thing is not new; the only new thing is the way news of it gets around now with different technology.
Sorry spacedsaint this statement is so unfair on the huge numbers of footballers who manage to live their lives without abusing the position to get sex. Some do, we know, but many, many players don't. You jut can't tarnish them all with the one brush.
