No you didn't. You still haven't. I would have thought the sarcasm in saying "so why talk about that either? In fact why talk about anything to do with football full stop given that we will have no impact on anything?" would have been obvious to anyone. Clearly not you though. Again, what are you talking about? My sarcasm was supposed to be obvious to the point where I'm saying that's the ONLY point of a football forum. If you seriously didn't take on board the sarcasm (and I really doubt you didn't)... but let's say you didn't and you took my following comment literally: "It's just as pointless to talk about tactics or transfers too because no manager of any team reads forums to decide what tactics to use or which players to sign. So why talk about that either? In fact why talk about anything to do with football full stop given that we will have no impact on anything? This is a forum. So of course it's not pointless to talk about Wenger not being good enough. That's exactly what a forum is for." Saying something is just as pointless isn't the same as saying something is pointless. For example... if I said Stoke and West Brom were as good as each other, would that mean I thought either were actually good? If you can't understand the difference then I worry for your basic grasp of English. So I can conclude only one of two things: (1) you purposefully chose to ignore the sarcasm even though you knew it was there just for the purpose of WUMming (but we all know you hate WUMming so you'd never stoop that low)... or (2) you seriously can't the see the difference between 'just as' and 'is' in which case you have a fundamental flaw in your understanding of English. I repeat... nowhere have I said a forum is only for moaning about Wenger. I said that moaning about Wenger is exactly the sort of thing a football is for (ie. it's football related so should be discussed on a football forum). Nowhere have I said it's the only thing a football forum is for. But you claim I have. So please show me where I've written this. I'm still waiting...
And just to help you out... here's what I said: Please highlight where I've said moaning is the ONLY point of football forum (and to give you a hint... 'exactly' and 'only' don't mean the same thing)? Or, maybe easier, just admit you can't because I didn't.
Not PC brings a bad reputation to the 'Arsene Out' brigade. His deliverly style and the way he articulates his points is horrifc, also the bloody emoticons does not help, when trying to deliver a serious point. But yeah, Wenger does need to leave if we are to compete with the very best and win the big prizes.
I know i am not a regular poster on this board but the constant bickering between some of you makes this forum a depressing place. cant you guys just argue in your messages and when i say argue i don't mean disagree as i know some of you like to take peoples comments out of context
That's what I was thinking. They open themselves up to criticism due to the way they put their points across. Rather than forcing the pro crowd into debate, they end up in a verbal slanging match against each other. Too much frustration going all round, which is the problem.
I'll happily debate with anybody, pro or anti Wenger. I think I've proved that over the years I've been using this forum. Unfortunately the loudest anti-wenger posters also happen to be the most irritating and argumentative, fishing for a spat instead of a debate. It's a shame that this forum has become so poisonous. It seems now that if you dare mention the positive things that Wenger and Arsenal do, you get jumped on as being deluded, rose tinted, blind faith, apologist etc. It does nothing for debate and nothing for the reputation of the wenger out fans.
I've re-posted it for you twice and you're now trying to brush it off as sarcasm. Also trying to split hairs over saying that moaning about Wenger is exactly what this forum is for and only what this forum is for. If it's not for talking about 'anything to do with football full stop' and everything to do with moaning about Wenger, then there is no difference. Anyway Cini65, enough of this. People can make their own minds up about what you said. I don't want to keep banging on about it. This IS a forum for talking about football, not just whining about Wenger. PM me if you've got a problem with this, but don't keep digging it up on this thread, thanks.
you are an idiot . Bodanki is 100 per cent correct. You can only say the same thing so many times . Well , i can anyway . Whereas you can go one for 9 years about how springtime is just around the next rainbow. AS he said. I AM NOT A FOOTBALL MANAGER are you ? I dont get paid 7 million quid a year to get things right . Do you ? If you do , maybe you can take the managers job . You dont need to be a VERY TALENTED FOOTBALL MANAGER to see a man who is also NOT A VERY TALENTED FOOTBALL MANAGER what a stupid comment . about right for you though.
Do you even have an opinion on what Arsenal could do differently from a footballing perspective ? Or are you just full of bluster and guff and CAPITAL LETTERS ?
you are full of sh1t. Reasoned debate my ar$e . theres no point in debating with someone who thinks slipping 4 places , not having a shot on goal in 94 minutes , being overhauled by the teams he regularly laughs at ... is "going in the right direction ." We wont mention failing to strengthen the squad so that the season is f**ed before its even started. You are as clueless as wenger . "everythings coming up roses.........."
Pretty please, let's try and get this thread back on topic instead of the tiresome bickering. I've had enough of it. This thread is supposed to be about Arsenal in the big games and what we can do differently. So going back to the Chelsea game, I thought we DID set up differently and tried to keep it much tighter from the outset instead of going gung ho. I saw us pressing from the front and trying to harry the midfield into making mistakes. I saw our front men dropping deeper when we lost the ball to crowd the midfield and I saw us defend pretty well when we didn't have the ball. Overall I thought we played pretty well and the possession showed that we controlled the play for the most part. But again, our lack of incisiveness cost us. Too much dithering around the penalty area allowed Chelsea to fall back into defensive banks, so that it was almost impossible to penetrate their defence. There were one or two moments, when Wilshere was put through, but his touch was too heavy and Cech smothered. Chelsea did well to nullify Sanchez too, the doubled up on him whenever he got the ball. So what do we need to do differently again from this ? I think we need to speed up the attack from the midfield, get runners in behind the fullbacks to pull them out of position so that our midfield players can press the oppo CBs more effectively. We need to be able to turn defenders around to face their own goal so that they are forced into last ditch decisions. We need to stop being afraid to shoot when we're in a position to do so and we need to do a lot better with our set pieces. Also, we could learn a thing or two from Chelsea about the 'dark arts' of frustrating the opposition with little fouls, shirt grabs and trips etc. I don't really like to see it, but ****, if Chelsea can get away with it, then why shouldn't we use it too. I guess inevitabley this will come down to the argument about whether Wenger can get his players doing this. I saw a 'step in the right direction' in terms of this approach against Chelsea, although ultimately it still wasn't good enough. If we end this season having lost to all of the top teams again, then we can say Wenger can't cut it. At the moment we've drawn one and lost one, not good, but there's time to turn it around. I'll make my assessment at the end of the season. If then we've still not properly addressed this area, then I will be agreeing with those who say that Wenger can no longer cut it at the top.
I refer you to my previous comment. Should Wenger have spent £70 million on Ozil and Sanchez when the striker and DM positions were the weakest in the squad? Also, as I stated in my previous comment, there is only so much credibility any of us can have when discussing Wenger's tactics and possible alternatives - we are not qualified top flight football managers. However, what we can all observe objectively are the results and we all agree they have not been good enough for some time. Therefore I think it is reasonable to suggest that Wenger's transfer dealings (we now know that he has the last word on all signings) and his tactics in the big matches deserve criticism because they are not producing results. In my opinion, if Wenger had been appointed in 2009, he would have been sacked by now, or at least a lot more fans would be calling for his head.
i support Arsenal. i have done for 49 years. i try not to be too negative when we play badly. i try not to get too carried away when we win. i support the team, the players, and the manager. i have never asked for any player to be sold or manager to be sacked. every team has its ups and downs, no team is immune from that. thats the price you pay for supporting a team. so get over yourselves. if you miserabilists can't deal with that then why don't you just **** off and support another team. actually you lot could try supporting west ham as they are similar to Arsenal in that they want to play good football but it doesn't always win games, they have a manager who only plays one way, their players get injured a lot, their fans hate their manager, they never had any money to buy the best players, they win the FA Cup occasionally, they have a new stadium, they don't ever win the League - in fact they are very similar to Arsenal so the miserable ****ers can follow them or become plastics and follow Chavski
I think Ozil and Sanchez were great players to buy, but I agree that a DM was and is still a priority. It frustrates me as much as anybody not seeing this glaringly obvious area not being addressed. I know we bid for Lars Bender last season because Dortmund confirmed it, so why didn't we go back in for him or his brother this summer. Or failing that another DM ? As for credibility is discussing Wenger's tactics, it doesn't matter that we're not qualified top flight football managers. This forum is about expressing our opinions, not implementation. The way that I see it is that if you're going to slate the bloke and his tactics, then you need to at least have an alternative view as to what could work, otherwise it's just moaning for the sake of it. By all means moan, but tell us what would make the difference, or at least what your opinion would be. Too many people on here just saying 'Wenger is ****, he makes the decisions, so what's the point in debating'. Take Wenger out of the equation hypothetically even, what should any manager do differently at Arsenal to get us playing the football we want to see ? I agree with you though, Wenger's transfer dealings and his tactics in big matches deserve criticism, because they are not producing results. I'd just like to see that criticism explored a bit more with what he or another manager would need to do differently to put it right.
I'm gonna have to agree with Piskie. We are all supposedly 'supporters' of this Club. A good debate is fine but lets keep it at that. All the irrational bitchy posts need to to go somewhere else. (Preferably the Spurs board)
