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Match Day Thread Chelsea vs. Arsenal Official Match Thread

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by PINKIE, Oct 1, 2014.

  1. lazarus20000

    lazarus20000 Well-Known Member

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    Not really surprised about the result and most people called it that we would lose. I thought if we go with the right strategy then we would have a chance, and in the centre we did very well, especially Cazorla and Flamini, who read the game well. But our big players failed to shine and Wenger was out thought once again. I suppose the positive is we didn't get a spanking but to realistically challenge, we need to get draws at least.
     
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  2. Stan

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    It must frustrate the hell out of Arsenal fans going into these kind of games knowing that the team has almost no chance of getting a draw let alone a win.
     
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  3. Arsenal87

    Arsenal87 Well-Known Member

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    As the dust settles, I echo what many other fans are asking, when is this going to change? When are we finally going to start getting the results against the big teams in the big games? We currently look no closer to doing so than we have in the past, and this dreadful run against the big teams still goes on. So when does it begin to change? How much longer do we have to put up with this crap against the big teams?

    ****ing hell, an overall pathetic situation.
     
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  4. Bodinki

    Bodinki You're welcome
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    You know when, mate!
    When Arsene Wenger vacates the managers position for someone new, thats when.
     
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  5. Lee263

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    He'll be managing from beyond the grave.. you're never getting rid of Wenger ;)
     
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  6. remembercolinlee

    remembercolinlee Well-Known Member

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    The ref was very generous all round ...
    Koschelney (excuse spelling) could have been sent off,
    Wenger should have been sent to the stands
    Welbeck should have got a red card

    So I dont think he favoured chelsea tbh
     
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  7. Lee263

    Lee263 Well-Known Member

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    I wonder what goes through Wenger's head when he knows he's got to take on Maureen? He's been beaten down and out-played so so many times Wenger must be terrified of the bloke.
     
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  8. PINKIE

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    Interesting analysis from Phil Neville who says that Chelsea used shirt pulls, little shoves and clipping heels to stifle Arsenal's momentum and frustrate them into losing focus. He describes it as cute and clever rather than cheating

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29497521

    Discuss
     
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  9. remembercolinlee

    remembercolinlee Well-Known Member

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    It is cheating...but so was chamberlains fouls...should have had 2 bookings
    ...and so was wellbecks two footed jump in tackle ... not just cheating but dangerous as both his feet were off the floor
    Then there was the tackle by kos for the penalty, not dangerous but cheating and should have got a red.

    Don't get me wrong, both oscar and cahill should have got reds too

    But chelsea did not win cos they got favours from the ref...if anything you got off lightly you should have had 3 reds and your manager should have also got a red for raising his hands to jose...if a player did that he'd have got a red card.
     
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  10. Stan

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    Mourinho.

    And it's one of the very many things that makes him a great manager.

    When he's gone he'll be remembered as a snide **** whose teams played dour but effective football. Fair play to him.
     
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  11. The Bonstar Wandit

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    Still waiting to hear how Arsenal are "heading in the right direction?" Chelsea utilised perfect tactics today. Arsenal couldn't live with them, again. Did any of us expect a win? No. Why? Because Wenger thinks tactics keep your breath fresh for 2 hours in just 2 calories. Wenger is the very symbol of mediocrity at Arsenal. There will be no improvement until he goes. Wenger out.
     
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  12. Mantis

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    More interested in the way he describes Chelsea's setup, which is key to their success in recent years. That they defend as a unit and from the front (which I think should be the case with most teams anyway). Makes them very hard to play through, all of their players work extremely hard off the ball and they keep a good shape throughout the team. Whenever we tried to move the ball through midfield today our players were isolated and surrounded by like 5-6 blues shirts. We could learn some lessons by watching the way Chelsea play but I think Wenger is too focused on his own team to ever learn anything from the opposition.
     
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  13. The Ides of March

    The Ides of March Well-Known Member

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    When will Arsenal beat the likes of Chelsea and Manchester United? If Wenger could learn to control his emotions, relax and smile next time he meets Jose (and LVG), it would send a positive message to his players.
     
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  14. PINKIE

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    i thought Maureen was very candid with his post match interview about how Chelsea set up to nullify our dangerous players and create banks of defence when they didn't have the ball. He basically set them up to defend and play on the counter. He has a lot of respect for the skill and danger our team pose (probably more so than some of our own fans on here) and he knew that unless he stopped players like Sanchez, cazorla and Ozil then we would create problems. You're right in that wenger could learn a lot from watching the way that Chelsea do this, but do we have the players to play this kind of football ? Our midfield is packed with players who want to attack.
     
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  15. Arsenal87

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    Lol no **** Sherlock! Stating the rather obvious aren't we? Mo knows our strengths and so he goes out to nullify them, something any good manager does, or what would you expect him to do? Do a Wenger and utilise no clear game plan and just let our best players do as they please?
     
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  16. Arsenal87

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    The next arguments from the rose tinted brigade shall be: How dare other teams use tactics to stifle our play, they should allow us freedom to play the Arsenal way and do as we please, Arsenal are so damn good if other teams didn't use tactics against us we'd conquer all!

    :D
     
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  17. Mantis

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    The difference between Mourinho and Wenger yesterday could not have been more evident to me. As I watched the game I realised the difference between the ideology of managers can impact on the way the team plays.. Wenger has always been one to emphasise the individual performance whereas Mourinho's focus is on the performance of the system as a whole. On some days the performance of the individual may be enough to win you the match with individual quality (or when one or more perform to their optimum level). But when it fails, the performance of the team needs to be enough to pull you through, that's why defending and attacking as a unit is such an important part of football. We seem to lack the cohesion that many other top European sides have, which is weird considering we have a fixed style of play with quality players. This is most evident when we face the top sides.
     
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  18. cini65

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    Mourinho candid? I've just watched his post-match interview and can't find anywhere where he said that he did that. He simply said Arsenal were a good team who forced his team to defend well. We know we're good. That's why we finish top 4. We're a good team stagnating and going nowhere. The age old story... when a manager has nothing to fear from a team he gives some praise to them. When he actually thinks they're a threat to the title, the mind games come out. Mourinho knows we're no threat whatsoever.

    Awesome, can you let us know what else Mourinho knows and has respect for? We'd all love to know but you're the only person he's apparently secretly telling this to. Plus, having this apparent respect for us is almost better than getting the three points. :D

    And at some point it would be refreshing to see this 'skill' and 'danger' that we possess... half the teams in the premier league have attacking play as good as ours, quite a few far far better.

    Wenger has never learnt anything so it's pointless discussing it and expecting anything now. Einstein's fake quote, 'Insanity is repeating the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome'... does that make Wenger insane? Probably not... but it does make him a useless manager in today's game and with a club that should have expectations far higher than it currently does. The players are irrelevant... in what way are Fabregas, Oscar, Schurrle and Hazard any less attacking than Wilshere, Sanchez, Ozil and Cazorla? Our players 'wanting' to attack is because that's the gameplan (or lack of) from Wenger. If you put our entire team into Chelsea's kit and put Mourinho in charge I'd wager we'd have far more than 10 points from 7 games.
     
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  19. The Bonstar Wandit

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    Can you drop the "Rose tinted brigade" thing 87? It's undermining the valid points you're making and will mean others respond attacking you personally rather than addressing the points you're making.
     
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  20. cini65

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    I particularly enjoyed the one about how we'd have beaten Spurs easily if only they didn't have defenders cutting out our through-balls :D
     
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