Pay attention to Carra http://www.sportinglife.com/footbal...RY_NAME=soccer/11/07/01/SOCCER_Liverpool.html And Muppetfinder http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/10041. Hopefully your words will help the slash your wrists group on JA 606
'I have only received an official offer from Liverpool,' Doni told Italian newspaper Il Tempo. 'But I could not accept those conditions.' 'I would have had my salary cut by 60 per cent.' http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...tch-keeper-discovers-hed-60-cent-pay-cut.html #LFC head of sports medicine Peter Brukner tells Australian radio station Marveaux didn't fail medical. Club refused to match #NUFC's offer. From Richard Buxton's twitter. We also refused to match Man City and Sunderland's offers for Clichy and Wickham respectively. It was widely reported at the time. We also nearly missed out on Suarez because we were offering an "insulting" amount according to Ajax's chief executive at the time, if Torres hadn't handed in a transfer request at the time we probably wouldn't have got Suarez because we weren't urgent enough in arranging the deal. It's a similar story with Adam at the moment.
Okay smartarse Doni would only be offered a 2nd gk pay rate. We have a huge wage bill and need to get some of those out of the club I think that Marveaux was rated more highly by Newcastle than us, I think the stance is we will not be held to ransome by players. We have been down that road and it hasnt got us anywhere. Wasnt Marveaux injured for the past 6 months or something? Havent Suarez and Carroll seen their wages rise dramtically by joining us? I think if KK etc see it as an abosolute must we should have that player then we will offer what they want then its down to the players where they want to go?
It's an admirable stance, but when you don't have European football and you are competing with teams who DO have European football, it often backfires. Its all well and good being positive about the future, I don't mind that, but lets not bury our heads in the sand. The transfer window for us, so far, has been a disaster.
Doni is a back-up keeper with first team wages. It makes sense therefore not to just hand a big contract to a 31 year old, and furthermore reports today are saying we're finalising the deal, so your argument could be completely null and void anyway. It seems evident Marveuax's medical at least gave Liverpool enough cause for concern to change their contract offer. Newcastle are making smokescreen investment so that includes what would seem like a 'coup' for a player we probably offered a fairly short term contract and squad level wages. Newcastle have taken a gamble, and it's unlikely he was ever anything but a squad filler for us. Those are the 2 deals that actually have some first hand comments from staff/players, and are you really upset that we haven't signed a 31yr old brazilian back-up goalkeeper, and a free from the french league who just missed almost the entire season and has effectively had one good season in Ligue 1? Oh dear our transfer plans are in tatters! As for Wickham and Clichy, they are merely speculation. Why should we pay over the odds for players? If the newspapers are true we would have spent £5million+ over what we wanted for these 2 players. That's a player in itself. Also you are forgetting Man City can stick £50k+ on any wage offer we make and throw an extra few million to speed their bid. Nobody can compete with them in a sense. Wickham meanwhile is a teenager who has a 1 in 4 goal rate in the Championship and who's sale value was more than the Ipswich Chairman valued him at. We couldn't give him the first team football to make that kind of outlay worthwhile. Get a grip mate, we flexed our financial muscles in january and with Henderson, and will do again, but these are players that didn't need it.
We knew his wages before we went into discussions with him, if we really thought a Brazilian who lives in a lovely country with hot weather would want to leave his team with Europa League football to a team that isn't in Europe and is normally cold and take a 60% wage cut, then we are deluded. We didn't change anything, it was just that we refused to match Newcastle's contract offer. We had been tracking him since December, he was at Anfield to watch us against Wolves, so I highly doubt that we had no idea of his medical problems. I didn't say I was upset, I was using it as evidence to back up my previous post We offered £5m for Clichy, Man City had a £7m bid accepted, we didn't match it. And £7m is hardly over the odds for a champions league quality full back. Same with Wickham, we also made an offer for Wickham but refused to up it by another £2m or so. So we didn't pay about £4m extra to get these players, that's not a new player at all. Yeah, we showed our financial muscle by selling our star striker for £50m plus a winger for £6m and replacing them with transfers costing about £57m. We spent a huge net of £1m, I bet Man City are quaking in their boots.
Mate, I wouldn't say its been a disaster! Have we missed out on our primary targets? I understand the European thing but we'll get the right people in, KK is hypnotic!
Who cares about Doni? We won't pay huge wages to nobodies with dodgy knees. Not anymore. We're already stuck with too many of those because of the previous administration. Seems like people want us back in that gloop for the sake of a backup keeper's feelings. What's Doni's current wage, anyway? 60% of what? There are a lot of targets and a lot of competing for signatures so every top club will be "snubbed" at some point. Napoli's Cavani has snubbed Utd and Sanchez has snubbed City and Chelsea. Big woo. When FSG needed to pay they paid. The Suarez and Carroll deals were done expediently when they needed to be. I seem to remember Ajax asking a ridiculously high price for Suarez. So we went in insultingly low. That's negotiating. We got him. Nice bottom line. Who are our priority targets? Clichy wasn't. Marveaux yet another midfielder we should break the bank for? Really? For a guy with a groin injury, the same injury Gerrard's just had surgery for? Maybe he didn't fail his medical but maybe we got a bit nervous so wouldn't offer more than a set amount. I'm sure the club are sensitive about signing another Aquilani, especially after all the forum noise over that. You can take a sample of FSG's transfer behaviour from a very limited period of the last few weeks, when only a portion of the market was open, or you can look at the wider picture. FSG don't get all the targets they go for with the Sox but on important ones they've beaten the richer Yankees. That would be baseball's richest club financially outmuscled.
As for Clichy, Arsenal fans actually dont think he's all that mate. Honestly, I've asked and they really were't bothered about him going Maybe we thought he wasnt worth 7mill?
Skrtels Nips. I can see your point.The reason why the Charlie Adam deal is taking so long has nothing to do with Liverpool,it has more to do with Blackpool.They are insisting on charging a Premiership standard price for a Championship player. He as of May is a Championship player.They expected an auction,and they haven't got it.He has insisted that Liverpool are the only club he wants to join.Expect a similar scenario to the one that brought Luis Suarez to Anfield.Blackpool will state a price,Liverpool will haggle and Blackpool will get close to what they are looking for.My guess is they will get £7.5 million(or £4 million in cash and Danny Wilson),which has been reported that Liverpool are willing to offer.Blackpool want £9 million,and I used the £7.5 million as a medium between the two. Secondly nobody has an iota of whom is on DC's or Kenny's wish-list.Most of it is mere speculation.It was reported a while back that one of the players that DC studied due to his emphasis on recruiting players that are consistent performers over a season was Blaise Matuidi.No offer has yet been mentioned but who knows an offer could be in the pipe-line.Or Moussa Sissoko,or Diego for that matter.Or Sakho as an alternative to Gary Cahill who was also a player DC studied. Jordan Henderson came out of the blue,as DC said that he ticked all the boxes for the type of player he and Kenny were looking for.Maybe some of the players we've been linked with ie Phil Jones,Ashley Young,Gael Clichy,Marveaux,Dmitri Payet,Connor Wickham didn't tick all the boxes.Who knows the reasons why bids were not placed. When signings do occur and I'm 100% convinced there will be at least 5 new players.Expect all of them to come out of the blue,and not be ones that the media have pimped over the last month or so possibly with the exception of Stewart Downing and Charlie Adam,Kenny has made no secret of the fact that he likes both.
Cmon mate, we were massively interested in Phil Jones and Ashley Young, lets not pretend that we weren't interested and didnt want them just because they've gone to the scum. They were among our main targets going into the window.
Okay if we were, they decided they wanted to be at Utd, f*** them. Young decided he wanted Champions League? We knew this would come around anyhow, some players wanting Champs League. Young is a good player but does seem quite sulky and dont forget who won Villa's player of the season? Downing. I'm not rubbishing him just because he went there by the way Jones went there as well but f*** him too. We're bound to not win them all mate, we will have others I'm sure we have more primary targets to come mate, keep the faith.
Why would you bid for someone who is earning a wage that is way above what you're willing to pay? And Cavani didn't snub United at all, his agent said there was nothing to the rumours that Man Utd wanted him. He's committed his future several times to Napoli, there's no reason why he would want to leave, and there's no reason why Man Utd would pay what Napoli are asking for him when they have Berbatov, Hernandez and Rooney upfront. A nothing rumour. Baseball is a totally different sport, there aren't any transfer fees for starters, so you can't actually look at FSG's transfer behaviour for that because the two sports are nothing alike in terms of transfers.
Just because journos link us with anyone with two feet doesn't mean we're after them. We may make an exploratory offer to test the water, then pull out because we decide we don't want them that badly. It could be for one, or a combination, of many reasons- it doesn't necessarily mean we've been muscled out. Let's all just wait and see who we get and how they play before we pass judgement. Can't we talk about something else? I'm gonna cut and paste this into every post I make from now on.
It took me a while to even find where this Brukner interview was in Australia as most people were just quoting the same tweet word for word, as happens on every rumour. I finally found a tweet that could name the station (Google page 3) and it said despite him passing the medical there were still medical concerns for a player who had been offered £60k pw. I also found doubts among Toon fans: "The bloke hasn't kicked a ball this year, we've seen this before with Gosling, Ireland and in our urgency to buy Ben Arfa only after he was crocked. This is Ashley's big gamble no other club would touch these players because of the uncertainty surrounding their rehabilitation, but if these players stay fully fit he's sitting on 60m worth of talent for a snippet of the price."
So you don't find it incredible that we tracked a player since December who had struggled yearly with injury, invited him over for a medical, then decided there were "medical concerns" there. What were Comolli and Brukner expecting, him being absolutely fine and that his constant injuries were just a product of bad luck?
I think it is hilarious. The slagging off of City and Chelsea and here we are complaining that we are not doing the same thing. After acknowledging it will take a few years to get things the way Henry and Kenny wnt them, we want all our players signed in the first summer transfer window. personally is there are particualr good targets they have i mind, I would think they would be prudent with the squad player signings. Clichy even if we offered the 7m would have gotten nice wages at City, wages I would not want us to match tbh, too excessive considering we are not in the CL and that has to also come in to it, we are not generating that revenue and as such the players are not because they are not playing in it, so less pay not more if you ask me. Also, who wants someone that signs for the wages primarily, not me. Jones wanted to go to United, it was not a money issue. He'd have went for less pay to them. Young is at a point where it is now of never, he aint going to get any younger fitter or faster and he is all but guarenteed first team footy there, this is his chance to play in the CL and win a prem winners medal, a corrrect move from a career point, neither of these chose because of money imo. When assembling anything with many parts, you don't just dump it all onto the floor and try make sense of it all. You make small sections and join them together, I would rather Kenny fit this lot together and and added a few more bits in Jan or next summer, ok then go on, just two more players
