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Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Boss, Aug 12, 2014.

  1. Spurf

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    Your comments show how badly informed you are on this subject PNP. For example asking questions on the policy of the SNP or the basis of my 'change in Scottish politics' remarks.

    I can see what the media is telling people in England PNP and I know what is happening here.

    It is not a question that EVERYONE who does not share my opinion is badly informed in Scotland it is probably about 30% of the population who are badly informed, ie those who do not use social media. In England there is a huge misunderstanding of what is happening and what has happened in Scotland and this is because it suits Westminster for that to be the case. I know when talking to my own relatives and friends in England just how profound this lack of undersatnding is. I am not trying to belittle anyone here, I am just trying to present a picture that you might not otherwise see.
     
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  2. PleaseNotPoll

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    Another parallel between the Yes campaigners and religious fanatics: Anyone who disagrees with you is badly misinformed and wrong.
     
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  3. Spurm

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    We should have just let them leave and then invaded. They wouldn't have been a member of NATO
     
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  4. NSIS

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    I have researched the subject quite thoroughly from a financial perspective. In my opinion, the SNP's figures were wildly optimistic guesstimates. Again, IMO, they were nowhere near sound enough to risk the entire future of a nation upon. Maybe their figures would have proved to be close to the mark, eventually. But it's a huge maybe and there lies the rub...

    It all goes back to the too many questions unanswered, or answered unsatisfactorily. I have no political axe to grind on this subject and tried to look at it as I would have done when evaluating a bond issue in my old job.
     
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  5. humanbeingincroydon

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    Here's a political question that serves as a welcome relief of everyone who is tired of the Scotland/Oppressors slanging match - remember the whole Bring Back Our Girls thing from six months ago, after Boko Haram kidnapped those 230 Nigerian schoolgirls? When did you last see that story being any coverage in the news?
     
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  6. The RDBD

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  7. Spurf

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    What makes you think you are well informed PNP?

    And btw I find it objectionable and insulting to be compared to a religious fanatic. My position is extremely well researched our whole position is based on obtaining the facts to counter the lies from Westminster. If you think otherwise then you either have a vested interest in the status quo or are poorly informed. That is the simple unvarnished truth, like it or not. NSIS says he has researched his case and then goes on to slate the SNP figures.

    That's where the figures come from but according to NSIS they produce wildly optimistic figures. I think we would need to see some detailed numbers to back that point of view up rather than just a stated opinion.

    In other words if you are going to rubbish the figures used by both the Scottish government and Westminster as the basis for their decisions then you need to come up with some figures to back that position. I should also point out that these are the same figures used by the famous Institute of Fiscal Studies in their deliberations. We all know how these figures were manipulated by Westminster and the IFS to produce the picture thay wanted that is why Business for Scotland produced a presentation showing these base figures, INCLUDING ALL the figures and not just a few selected ones as presented by Westminster.



    http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/GERS
     
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  8. KingHotspur

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    Oh dear, the stupidity on here seems to be spreading quicker than Ebola.
     
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  9. NSIS

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    As far as I recall, I stated quite clearly why I thought that an Independent Scotland was not viable in an economic sense. I also quoted facts and figures and gave sources. As I have no wish to open up another can of worms over what is now a dead issue for the foreseeable future, I will butt out of this one here.

    I do, however, object if there is some inference that I'm stupid because I disagree with the pro- independence lobby.
     
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  10. The Mighty Thor

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    Whatever happened to the Scottish National Liberation Army which sent letter bombs to Diana Spencer and Mrs Thatcher in the name of Scottish independence and their leader a prat called Busby who fled to Dublin? As I recall he sent a package to Alex Salmond.....................oh wow, how loyal. Fanatic or what.
     
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    Or flight MH17... I thought we were going to get the unequivocal proof Russia did it. Hmmm.... didn't seem to materialise did it!
     
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  12. The Mighty Thor

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    Or 48 mainly school children blown up as they left school yesterday in Syria. Blowing up kids? Can anybody stoop any lower than maggot ****?
     
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    I think it was said that the English are uninformed, not stupid.
     
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  14. The Mighty Thor

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    Like others on this thread SD you only mention the English in all this and not the British.
     
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  15. The RDBD

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    Singalong now ...

    Scotland trade deficit to UKminus > 11.4 bn quid, this I know.
    Because the official Scottish govt figures told me so.
     
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  16. The Mighty Thor

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    One of Salmond's parting shots was "There are other ways of gaining independence." I wonder which ways he means.
     
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    Planning a revolution? :bandit:
     
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    Bloody SNP got their tentacles everywhere <grr>
     
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  19. humanbeingincroydon

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    It's probably filed alongside the proof that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.

    On the subject of invading Middle Eastern countries, here's a rule of thumb that should be applied to all international diplomacy: be it the US and their invasion of "Irok" or the current inability of any politician to agree that they're fighting ISIS, ISIL or IS, if you can't get the name of who you;re invading right you can't invade them.
     
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  20. The RDBD

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    "On the subject of invading Middle Eastern countries, here's a rule of thumb that should be applied to all international diplomacy:
    be it the US and their invasion of "Irok" or the current inability of any politician to agree that they're fighting ISIS, ISIL"

    Leave it with the "Tea Party" for a bit, and we can have the spectacle of the USA declaring war on Ozil.
     
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