I know I like to discuss some out there stull but for you to make this claim on this shows you just don't know the subject matter lad. I'll give you an example, Argentina is having serious economic problems, they defaulted on loans and s**t. Corporations are going to US courts and getting judgements on Argentina because of tade deals like this. Yes argentinian state matters being decided by a US judge and the corporations that bring the case, not an argentinian present. The Argy govenment tried to ease the pressure on people struggling, what is wrong with that? they froze energy pricing. Then they got sued in a secret court for 900 million + by a group fo foreign corporations. This is what you want for the UK? How about privatising the prison system? Police? Army? The US is already privatising it's army. Torture, military ops, security, surveillance, intelligence, counter terrorism and ore have already been outsourced to private companies. it is a futuristic nightmate in the making where there are no more governments only corporations. Just because it is a slow process, piece by piece most don't see it coming. less and less rights go hand in hand with this slow death. if you mock that idea. Look at what was privately run 50 years ago and look at now. immense difference. Soon enough and most people will probably not notice, corporations will throw off the politics facade. You think the bankers and corporations don't run the biggest military in the world? Puhlease You think the wars have nothing to do with economics and control? You think blair is right about the Middle East being about religion? C'mon man. Even today you have the UK police working for the energy companies, literally the police force outsources it's offcers to corporations. if you think this is all far fetched, then maybe you can explain why HSBC can get caught laundering money for Colombian and Mexican drug cartels and no one does a day of porridge. You get caught with a baggie of weed and you get done. That is how it works atm.
Agre with all of that, the last bit absolutely so. private enterprise is essential though as you say certainly some sectors and services should be run by the state. We can see, without question, that competition does not lower the price of anything because there is no real competition at teh top corporate level, they just battle for customers because there is enough to share given how many fo us there are, Then lobby the government to cement your dominance. it's a rigged game that has been around for a very VERY long time. Real competition only exists at SME level, those without power to enter or create the monopoly have to actually compete. False market rates are a major issue, it is not about what a product is worth, it's about what they can get for it, how much people are willing to pay in many cases
Throw on top of that the fractional reserve monster and it's tragic. kensyain economics are destructive when combined with lobbying fraction reserve banking and market sharing\monopoly. Them Austrians are on the right track.
Who would veto it? Britain has already agreed to it. What don't you get? This deal is for the very people that really control governments, corporations. once agreed you can't veto anyting. When you say Britain do you mean the people of Britain? they have been given no say, this was discussed and set up secretly, intentionally hidden from the people who elected government. Sheesh man, why do you think that is? You think after pulling this off in such a manner the government will Veto it. seriously, think logically, what the British public think is irrelevant to those that signed this deal. The time to do something has passed, not enough people opened their traps Designed to circumvent sovereignty, pesky governments getting in the way of corporate profits, how dare they. Corporations do not like democracy, as bad as it is, too much consensus for them. Now they can use secret courts and sue you, not the government, if they sue Britain, Cameron doesn't get his wallet out, you do. How this doesn't irritate people is beyond me.
That's simplistic bollocks sisu. The Argentinian issue isn't simply a case of them freezing energy prices and then being sued for it, and maybe if you actually researched the issue yourself as opposed to simply reading some crank website you'd have realised that for youself mate.
The proof is in the pudding. The system was rigged when corporations were tried as people, this was a masterstoke of lobbying. people who run corporations are immune from prosecution, literally. An example How to Get Away With Murder: Guidant and Corporate Criminal Justice http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-santos/how-to-get-away-with-murd_b_570794.html individuals do not face charges all too often, even though they killed people. BP killed a bunch of people and poisoned the Gulf of Mexico, and did one person face charges? Guatemala was a US "war" started by a corp, a matter of historical fact. Pesky government had te neck to put the country first, so they made up te Russin involvement to remove said government to rape the country, turned out Russia didn't even have diplomatic relations with Guatemala. A war started by the United Fruit Company in the US. Even AIG are suing the US right now, the tax payer actually, because they say their miltibillion free money bailout was unfair
WASHINGTON – At a time when states are struggling to reduce bloated prison populations and tight budgets, a private prison management company is offering to buy prisons in exchange for various considerations, including a controversial guarantee that the governments maintain a 90% occupancy rate for at least 20 years. http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news...ing-prisons-require-high-occupancy/53402894/1 C'mon ffs There is a complete disconnect between we the people, and government and corporations\banks. We are cattle, the sooner we all actually realise this the better. Pennsylvania judge sentenced to 28 years in prison for selling teens to prisons http://www.examiner.com/article/pen...-28-years-prison-for-selling-teens-to-prisons
In Ireland legislation was just passed that allowed a new water company to take your PPS number of home owners and everyone in their family living at teh address, whatever that is in the UK? so as to add asset value to the company, which was granted along with billions of tax payer money to a crony of the leading party who a judge said previously that he most certainly bribed the government to get a telecoms company. This is a case of turning people into assets that can be sold along with the company. Welcome to the future, it's not bright, it's not orange
You'd think the mass graves discovered in Ukraine this week would be on the BBC wouldn't you. Civilians and separatists found in mass graves in Donetsk along with pistol casings, probably bullet in the head, rolled into a ditch and buried, nazi mass murder execution style. 3 mass graves found so far. 40 bodies. I only mention this because Ukraine just got occupied by the IMF Chevron and Exxon. Just making the point that Corporations control what almost all of what we watch and read. irony, the people in east Ukraine will have to repay the IMF loans that were used to buy the very bullets and bombs that were fired at them by Kiev. Corporate logic.
Big companies want to f** you over just as much small companies do. One will brainwash you, the other will sell you poisonous moonshine if it can. The difference is one has power, and other is scrambling to survive. At their core is the flawed Ego of the Human Being. It is IT that wants to f** you over, whether from the heights of a big corporation's downtown offices, the sprawling cadaverous government hallways, or the dank basement of a startup business. We want to f** and f** over. It's our nature. How do you control the madness? By voting smartly and not getting fooled. Where does the buck stop? At voters' fingertips. Blaming anyone else in the long-term... is hypocrisy.
I'm in debt in a few directions The most vicious debt recovery strategy of those I've experienced were Warrington Borough Council for council tax. Evil ****s.
But you said: Now you're saying Britain has agreed to it? Without seeing both sides of the issue and not just one from an ideologue website it doesn't irritate me. It's like foredeck with his ideologue preaching- it's not about fitting laws and legislation into what fits your "ideology", it's about using common sense and seeing what really works and what doesn't. Pure capitalism doesn't work- pure socialism is a pure disaster. The right isn't always wrong and the left isn't always wrong- there are smart ideas from all over the place and from all points on the political spectrum- I hate "pure" ideologies and political parties. Political parties are the worse thing to happen to democracy because they try to mould people into ideological points of view rather than allow people to have their own opinion or exercise common sense. If the British government has seen this bill and approves of it- it can't be as bad as some slanted political piece says. They wouldn't willingly give up sovereignty for something that is terrible. I'd have to see a neutral source on the issue before it would upset me.
Hey sunshine! where in your diatribe is there ay suggestion of "common sense" being displayed? If you believe that I was promulgating pure Socialist philosophy then your education or understanding on that point is sadly lacking. Neither have I accused you of being a Libertarian or Economic Liberal. I do however laugh at your suggestion that an economy should be run on the basis of the common sense of the masses - there lies a true recipe for disaster! So MHSO, let's hear your common sense approach to managing this non-ideological economy and tell us where this model can be found in the capitalist world?
No dude, when you say Britain you thinik one thing, when I say Britain I mean the likes of Cameron and his ilk. This is not Britain, given the context of everythng I posted it was and is obvious I don't mean the British government, they had nothing to do with this decision, only a select few who are working for those cororations and their cronies that benefit from such trade deals. This small group represented the British without their knowledge or consent. It was not a political decision, it was one made by the money behind politics, can't you see that? I made it clear when I said when Britain gets sued, the government doesn't get sued or rather the people who signed this deal, the tax payer gets sued. Context is everything man. Do not compartmentalise it to make your argument by selecting single lines of text to provide a false context. I like this, it says it all concerning how people who have seen how things really are are treated by those who have not, it doesn't mean I am "special" or anything, it means people don't want to see the world for what it really is. [video=youtube;UQfRdl3GTw4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UQfRdl3GTw4[/video] most people still think the shadows are the real world because they reject anyting that disturbs that institutionalised reality. This was straight up circumvention of "democracy" and British sovereignty. But instead of addressing that you wish to get into it with me on little distinctions. The Matrix it reminds me of, where people will fight to retain the illusion they live in because it is comforting and familiar. f** that, get angry, get informed, do something. Your governments are saying openly that this war will last years, well what was the last f**ing war on terror for?, why did you give up those rights? what f**ing good did it do? Falling for the same lies again. perpetual war and the ignorant slaves cheer it on and cheer on a further loss of liberty in the name of fighting enemies created by the very governments and corporations claiming to want to protect us all. Example of fake reality, that your(UK) government has only jus decided to bomb Syria and iraq, no **** no, this was decided well before now, but they wished to avoid saying war with Syria before the Scottish Referendum. Schools really need to start teaching logic I f**ing swear. Instead they teach sophistry.
To back this up, China has less people in prison than the United States. Fcuk me lol They execute corporate leaders, execute police for killing people. Same cannot be said about the "greatest democracy on earth" no I don't love China's rotting government, just puts things into perspective.
I guess I've only one more thing to say and if the mods want and no one objects this can be closed. I know I irritate some people with this stuff. There are food banks on your doorstep and you are going to war. Are you f**ing serious!? Just gonna keep taking this crap yeah? War never suffers Austerity. Edit David Cameron told the U.N. that “non-violent extremism” is just as dangerous as terrorism and must be eradicated using all means at the government’s disposal. He references 9/11 and 7/7 Truthers as examples of the type of extremism that must be dealt in a similar fashion to ISIS. I am an extremist What Cameron said is my passport should be taken because I question the the government's claims. This is the f**ing future.
Oh ok one more post then.. seeing as you are all begging for one Corporations.. surely the law will protect us from them right. please log in to view this image
Found this when I was (unsuccessfully) looking for that Monkey Dust sketch of the computer nerd/conspiracy theorist who believed that we were all actually living in the Matrix (I'd be grateful if anyone can find it): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoyahR-rp_I Sweet.
