Off Topic Ranieri, Taylor, Drogs, Spy: KGB vs BI Game

But why would he PM a BI operative? If he's KGB then he would know Less and DMW were also KGB, via PM. There's no sense in pm'ing a BI operative, so he's either cheating as a BI operative and suspects both DMW and Less are KGB, hence the pretend pm's, in which case Less is clearly KGB, or he's KGB, is PM'ing KGB, and for whatever reason is being hung out to dry by both DMW and Less as KGB so that they can keep on lying.

Trust me on this - vote for Less, because even if that one's wrong - which I don't think it is - then we have Tash immediately bang to rights tomorrow.

 

Nope

If ACS and Obi are KGB then I could well imagine that JPF was lying about the rolled up balls of paper and that he just set up a moderators cabal of evil, throwing in an ex-mod or two to make up the numbers!

You are in my little paranoid ball of suspicion - don't worry

 

You leave your socks at somebodys house when you visit and they're not in and their partner is

and that somebody then gets all suspicious!!!!!!!

 

Anyone claiming to have Tash banged to rights once I am proven to be MI5 is mistaken (and possibly KGB seeking a double kill). The scaenario where Tash is MI6 and enquired about me, while at the same time the KGB played the Maclean card is all perfectly possible - especially since I haven't exactly been quiet on here.

I think that if/when I am voted off then you need to look at who wanted me off most.

 

I agree but in reverse as I'm more certain of Tash than Less Hope

 

But using this logic why not vote for Tash? And if he's BI then we know Less Hope is KGB and we'll vote him off tomorrow.

 

The poison-tipped umbrellas have certainly come out to play now

 

So my understanding the Maclean card is pure luck? Are you saying it isn't? Or simply they may have both investigated you on the same night because of your activity?

So Tash still may not be KGB if you are killed? So does the reverse also apply whereby you are killed, shown to be BI and Tash is still possibly BI?

Why did you reveal the PM was about me, also from Obi but not mention the other? I am starting to suspect you more I need to check the voting pattern last night for who stuck with ACS and didn't just switch when the game was up.

 

Lots of questions

The maclean card is not pure luck. The real Maclean will nominate somebody to JPF. If that person is then investigated by an MI6 agent then JPF will switch round the info (possibly even suggesting a name rather than just BI or KGB) so that false information is passed on. It is strategic by the KGB. The only luck involved is that they need to guess who might be investigated by MI6.

Therefore: Tash might not be KGB if I am killed. The reverse bit confused me cos that sounded like the same thing worded differently rather than the reverse. The reverse would be that if Tash is killed and shown to be BI it doesn't mean that I am KGB either. The Maclean card means that we cannot be certain of either situation until Maclean is killed.

As for the PM - I did reveal the other person (Trev) and I also stated that he was already on my suspect list. (Read back). I don't know how much weight we can put on Obi's intel though since he is likely to be KGB.

 

Are BI allowed to reveal who they are? Are KGB allowed to reveal who they are?

 

Yes and Yes. In fact from a BI situation it is probably helpful for at least the MI6 officers to reveal who they are and pass on info. As for KGB, they can say whatever they like. They are unlikely to reveal who they are except in a double-bluff attempt (and even then only in voting patterns rather than expressly). They are more likely to also claim to be BI so as to confuse us, pass on bad information or simply to hide from being killed.

 

Right I'm getting somewhere. Finally is there any operative the BI would not want to reveal themself?

 

I would have thought...

Oleg Lyalin (BI): Nominates one person to protect per night, and may choose to be a coward and protect himself

Oleg Gordievsky (BI): Can kill 2 people during the course of the game (nominated by PM to JPF, 1 kill per round maximum, and the kills must be separated by at least 1 night). If they pick a protected player, they lose one kill. If they are converted, they lose this power entirely

 

This game got really good over the last 24 hrs My head is ****ed trying to work out what is going on.

Just a thought, GCB can see who is responsible for the tags as a mod. Who tagged the Roland ones? And the Tash and Obi one?

 

Tash and Obi was me - tho my certainty changes by the second

 

ACS was responsible for all four Roland tags (obviously in an attempt to save himself from death last night).

 

"roland is mfi, roland is mi5, roland is mi6, roland is the one!!,"

Not sure these would be to save ACS as they mainly suggest Roland is BI. If anything, this might mean the theory about last night being a game of misdirection that went wrong due to them miscalculating last gasp votes could be correct and this would mean that Roland was Philby. Not saying he is - but its a possibility we need to remember to consider.

It is also just as likely that Roland was saved by Lyalin when he saw that Roland was heading out - though that would require guesswork on his part hat Roland is not KGB. Only the KGB are certain of anything at the moment.

 

I am so getting shot tonight if this is true

 

Do the dead BI agents still get to cast a vote?

 

No. Once you're dead you are dead. No ore interaction or voting allowed, apart from one 'I told you so' post. Their vote for the night they were killed counts, but that is it. No more voting.