Labour have come out and said they don't want devolution of power. The Tories are saying they support devolution across the uk. If anything it's another nail in labours coffin and a great success for the Tories.
So if the vote is split and there is no clear winner in an election how do you think we should decide democratically who is in government? Continue to re-vote over and over until over 50% agree? In general there are lots of people who don't get the government they want. Unfortunately that's just the way it is.
The Tories would benefit more than labour under devolution because labour benefit a lot from the Scottish vote siding with them. Good point on the councils too. With devolution the Tories would gain and labour lose. So it's obvious they are just going by self preservation rather than any will to actually do what is right. But the Tories have fallen on the people's side and labour on the elitist side.
That's only because you don't listen/read! Labour have said that they wish to set up a Commission after the next election. That's totally different from being anti-devolution. Now I believe that Labour's present stance is just a holding position whilst this whole thing sorts itself out. Starting to consider devolution after the next election is not really viable - Cameron will ensure that and so will the regional activists.
I've been reading the bbc article this morning and there are quotes from milliband and labour basically saying they want to keep the status quo and don't see the need for English devolution...
The way to go seems to me is regional government in England. Scotland has a population of around 5m plus. Wales has 3m. The devolved regions could have similar populations 5-10m which would give around 8-6 regional governments. It would be crazy to have a single English parliament. The difference between the north east of England and London/South East is almost the same as the difference between Scotland and these 2 areas.
For goodness sake! Don't rely purely on unattributable BBC articles for accuracy. Milliband has already presented Labour's present position of a Convention following the 2015 election. The ONLY thing that they have said must not happen is linking English devolution to the Scottish pledges. There's no problem in changing the English system for Labour - not changing it causes them more problems!!!
I don't think that regionalisation would be the best way of re-structuring English politics. Apart from maybe London and the South East, there is not one truly cohesive region in the UK and too many vested-interest problems. The nearest that I would go with that idea is to re-generate the larger administrative areas eg Merseyside and devolve power down to them from an English Parliament. Whilst far from perfect it would mean that representation would be more equal and local issues/policies can be implemented. That would truly make England a federal country.
I don't agree with him but I'd like to hear your 'case' for denying them the vote after the experience of Scotland.
I don't think at that age the vast majority of people are knowledgable enough, don't have the life experiences to understand the reasoning behind things etc... I do agree with young people being involved in politics and I'm a big fan of a youth government which is able to put forward motions to the actual government. But I think allowing them to vote in normal elections before they've worked a job, got a driving license, dealt with banks etc... Is a little too early.
so they are old enough to have an opinion on which party gets in which may effect, ours not theirs, interest rates, mortgages etc, yet they cant go to the shop for me and get my cigs
This 'Labour denying English voice' crap is the ship being sailed by the Torygraph and Fail at the moment, almost being dictated to them down the line by Lynton Crosbie. Funny how Cameron stood up after the referendum and said 'We hear you scotland', then promptly went back to the grubby pointscoring that a majority of Scots voters, even those who voted NO, had said that they're heartedly sick of. FFS, the Express are trying to say that it was Cameron and his grovelling 'Please don't leave the Uk because of us nasty Tories' speech that saved the Union. Gordon Brown is back to being the **** who single-handedly caused the worldwide 2008 crash, apparently. Sad thing is a lot of embittered Nats are falling into this trap too, if any of the vox pops I've being listening to on 5 Live are anything to go by. There'll be an unholy alliance between the Tories and the Nats in the next Parliament, a-la the one that forced through the vote of no confidence in the Callaghan government in '79, wait and see. people don't realise that all this 'social justice' left wing stance is a cloak of convenience that the Nats have been wearing the last decade, and that their DNA is more Tory than the Libs. If there is a Labour wipeout and a Nat stranglehold on 50-odd Scots seats next May, don't be surprised if Crosbie hasn't already worked out their next coalition partners.
Andy Murray on referendum: 'I don't regret giving an opinion' 23 September 2014 Last updated at 09:24 BST Andy Murray has spoken publicly for the first time about comments he made on the eve of the Scottish referendum. Murray was abused on Twitter for tweeting his support for independence. In a BBC interview in China, he said the UK was going to be stronger as a result of the referendum and he looked forward to competing for Great Britain for the rest of his career. He said he did not "regret giving an opinion" but he wished he had not done it in that way. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29323322
Why? He's entitled to his opinion. I don't live in the Shetlands, but I'll fully support their push for Crown Dependency status when they break away from Scotland.
