I'm curious to know your opinion on why the opportunity of using the 3rd sub wasn't used , not looking for an argument but just your point of view.
I've asked this question earlier ... he came back with bullshit so don't hold your breath. Using his own arguments he can't have a point of view ... he's just a fan ... and therefore his points of view are "irrelevant". As it happens, on just about everything of value. So since the forum "god" has declared our points of view are "irrelevant", what's the point of this forum. It's not to convince Monk about anything, which would require him to waste his time reading all this stuff. It's to debate amongst our idle selves. Except there are some that don't understand debate, and much prefer to deprecate others for their own amusement.
I assume he used Siggy up front instead of Gomis, because not only could he be used as a target man, but he would do far more running/chasing than Gomis would. As it was Siggy couldn't hold the ball up, but his overall work rate helped the team keep a clean sheet up until the last 10 minutes - so Monks strategy almost paid off. Having said that, once we went 1-0 down I thought Gomis should have come on. More disappointing was that in the last 5 minutes we had two chances to put the ball in the box - and failed miserably on both occasions. That doesn't detract from what overall was a good team performance and but for poor discipline would have seen us with another three points in the bank.
Monk had the team he wanted on the pitch to end the game , simple . Not all subs get used , but I guess unused subs get to be a bone of contention in hindsight .
The only trouble with that theory is that Siggy due to the way he plays runs himself into the aground so and not being particular gifted in holding the ball up imo Gomis would have been the better option and being fresher may have given us an opportunity to give the defence a breather from the , again imo, the at times , unnecessary pressure we put ourselves in under.
not needed. why sub someone who was doing what is wanted by monk. Just because you have subs does not mean you have to use them. monk judged that putting on another sub would not improve the situation and could even weaken our chances....
Siggy is a lot of things but he won't be a target man as long as he's got a hole in his ass. Just saying. The game was crying out for Gomis to take the pressure off and a lot of us could see that but not Monk. Still blame Bony for the loss though.
Apologies of this has been covered before but did anyone notice that the BBC match report stated that Bony was taking his place back in the starting line up after being dropped for returning late from international duty? As far as I'm aware Bony was sub being rested for the Chelsea game and arrived back on time or am i missing something?
Every manager will make mistakes, and most will admit that, and nearly all managers are informed about the consensus of opinion from the fan base, and if you think that doesn't happen then you need to speak to Pardew, who has openly admitted in the media that the Newcastle fans want him out. I know for a fact that most players read Footy forums, because after all they are fans too, so for you to say that opinions on here are a waste of time simply tells us how stupid you are, all businesses seek feedback from their customers, and if you have watched the film 'Jack to king' you will have watched the true facts of how the fans voice got petty running up the M4, never to be seen again in Swansea, so stop talking rubbish, and try and put in positive input on here, you making yourself look a right lemon on here so often!....................... If the team has problems the fans will see it, and so will the manager, if the manager has issues the fans will see that too and so will the board, and if Monk was not informed of the fans negative view of him being appointed as manager, then how come he said he had to win over the doubters? Dai you simply need to go to the back of the class with a big cap, with D on it.
Is that so, the day I take notice of your view is when you start to reason with posters in an amicable way and not before, if your going to make such sweeping statements, then when questioned, you need to give sound reasoning regarding your view, otherwise who will take notice of you?
in your dreams sunshine ...i have forgotten more about the swans than you will ever know in a lifetime... I know truth hurts you as you come gunning back with insults and total garbage...I know it we all know it.. come on now girls
I'm glad you finally admit it. This is the problem .... too much forgotten ... and too little left of any use.
Fabianski - Excellent. Came and caught everything, made some decent saves. 8 Rangel - Good performance. I felt he had the better of Tadic. 7 Taylor - Haven't seen it on TV yet but from where I was sat the goal seemed to stem from him not tracking the straight run of his man. Also, didn't move the ball quick enough, Long kept on closing him down and getting the block in. Some indecision in our penalty area also. Looks very happy and comfortable. Needs some stiffer competition (unless Jazz or Tiendalli can force their way in). 5 Fernandez - Very nervy start, and gave the ball away cheaply on a few occasions in the 2nd half also....BUT, grew into the game with the more defending he had to do and overall a very encouraging start. 7 Ash - Captain's stuff. Well played. 8 Ki - One of his best games in a Swans shirt. 8 (Tempted to give him a 9) Shelvey - I do like him but he is frustrating the **** out of me. This week the thing I found most annoying was his lack of movement off the ball to create an easy short pass for his team mates. Always does some good things too though! 6 Dyer - Had his moments but not his best game. 6 Siggy - Didn't have a good game for me. Tried hard when stuck up front but looked a fish out of water. 6 Routledge - I felt Clyne dealt with him very well on the whole. Should have scored the best chance of the game. 6 Bony - Was effective and looking likely to score (Unlucky with great header cleared off the line). Got wound up, got stuck in....daft to go for the ball that he did and although he did get the ball with his left leg it was clearly a booking at least. Everybody makes a mistake and to be fair ill discipline has not be a problem of his. Hopefully he will learn from it. 5 (because of the red....was on a 7 up until then) Subs Montero - Tried but we were on the back foot and he didn't get great support from Taylor. Clyne handled him very well also. Impressed with their right-back. 6 Emnes - 5-10 minutes was not enough to have an effect on the game. 6 The game As I expected it was a high tempo good quality tight game up until the sending off. I disagree that the Saints didn't play well or came to kick us...too me it was like watching a mirror image of us, they played almost exactly the same way as we would away from home (except Long and Tadic were narrower). They worked their bollocks off, closed us down everywhere and you could sense some nervousness in our defence. However, they didn't create much (I think Pelle hit a tame shot on the turn that Fabianski got down to) and as the half progressed we created a couple of good chances and came to dominate the possession. I did sense that a goal was just a matter of time. Unfortunately Bony got sent off. Daft decision from him to challenge there on a booking but there we go, it happens....so long as it doesn't become a habit. Within 5 minutes of the sending off you could sense the confidence had drained from the team. I was only hoping for a point from there I just disagreed with Monk (and those around me it seemed) on how to get it. I would have subbed Dyer for Gomis/Emnes straight away (would have been Gomis but wasn't sure if he was fit), Shelvey for Carroll and Routledge for Bartley about 10 mins in and gone... ----------------Fab-------------- ---Fernandez--Bartley--Ash------- Rangel-----Carroll--Ki--------Taylor ---------------Siggy-------------- ------------Gomis/Emnes---------- ....but wasn't expecting this to happen as it would be radical and considered too risky. The bloke next to me immediately stated, "not a problem...Siggy will just play a false 9". I suggested to him that Siggy might have to be sacrificed for Gomis/Emnes if we were going to keep the same shape. On the way to the bar it seemed more agreed with his suggestion than mine. Monk went with that too. I've got to say....and I'm not criticising Monk as we all see the game differently and we are all right and wrong in seemingly equal measure....it didn't work! Siggy was lost and wasted. Their defence got the slippers out and we proceeded to surrender the midfield (as Cork/Wanyama, Ward-Prowse/Davis and Schneiderlin v Shelvey and Ki was a mismatch). I don't understand why he couldn't see that happening and address it (not because I expected us to win from there but because I felt we had a better chance of a draw if we addressed their dominance in midfield). I guess that is why I am instinctively a Monk doubter....some managers do things that make sense to you and some don't, Monk's decisions do not make sense to me....it seems I and a few others are in the minority on this one though, so there we are. Shelvey had to be subbed for Carroll whether we stayed as we were or changed the formation. We needed fresh legs in there and to retain possession better. To me the remaining decision was to either sub Taylor for Jazz or take off a winger for Bartley and play for the draw. The only way bringing on Montero would have made sense too me is if he was going to play up front on his own and chase everything. All in all I'm not too disappointed as going down to 10 men in a tight game like that was always going to leave us struggling to avoid the loss. I just think the situation could have been managed better. Gomis Is it just me or was he missing from the pre-match warm up until the last 5 minutes of it (and then he didn't look too interested)....carrying an injury maybe?
Good assessment Terror. Agree with all your points. I suppose that Monk is still learning and we can't blame him for the loss but I do think he got his subs very wrong.
...I think I know where the garbage emanates from Dai, you clearly have never played the game, let alone understood it.......
