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Tottenham Hotspur v West Bromwich Albion Match History 1901-2014

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by THFC6061, Sep 15, 2014.

  1. No, that was Kaboul, closely followed by Rose, whose sole positive contribution was one cross in the first half.
     
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  2. This <ok>
     
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  3. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    At least Pochettino's post match interview showed that he saw the same problems as we did and was equally angry about them.
    Time will tell if he can actually do anything about it.
     
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    What gets me is levy will not give pochetino the time needed.
    He has hired a manager to deliver a style of football, fails to get him the players he needs and then when it goes tits up he sacks them.
    He did it with jol...he was screaming out for a defensive midfielder in the sunner of 2007 and instead the big summer signing was darren bent...when we had a front two of keane and berbatov with defoe as back up...jol is sacked and in came ramos...we buy players not of his choice and then we get redknapp...cos we were in such a state redknapp gets the players he wants...he gets us out of trouble then gets us 4th and we continue to get the players he wants...then when we are on course for a top 3 finish levy decides to strengthen our defence and attack with ryan nelson and luis saha as a makeshift until the summer...we lose CL footie to chelsea and harry goes and avb is bought in...**** choice inmo but his first choice of players were not got and so he is forced to use the wrong sort of players to deliver his style of football...with predicable results and on we roll to sherwood and now pochetino...

    We need to give the manager time and buy his players
     
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  5. Spurf

    Spurf Thread Mover Forum Moderator

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    Which is IMO we should have brought on Lennon earlier, we were constantly playing to their strengths by aproaching in the middle of the park. We needed to get out wide and get the ball into the centre. Lescott was certainly a big factor in their favour and that also suggests we needed more speed in our approach play. I don't think we created anything like enough chances.
     
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    I guess we are busy tearing our hair out with our displays but think of Luke,he must be completely bald after the United results.....looks like we are both in trouble!
     
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  7. I don't understand the modern aversion to playing with wingers. Okay, so don't set yourself up to play that way all game, but at the very least use it every now and then to shake things up.

    This tippy-tappy style of football is all well and good, and I'm sure that most fans like the see their team "play like Brazil," but there is still a place in making a direct play, again (as with wing-play), if only as a means of mixing things up.

    I think we, like so many teams of our lowly quality, place too much store by tippy-tappy football, to the detriment of more direct styles of play, and it's costing us.
     
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  8. Some of us did try to warn Little Luke of the humiliations that United would face post-Fergie, but he simply would not listen.
     
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    Spurf Thread Mover Forum Moderator

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    Now here is a rarity; Yes I agree HIAG (<party>) I am now watching a re run of AVB's 'style' a sort of watered down Barcalona (remember them). I find it boring when the Spaniards play so it's not going to be better if we play it is it. I think it has to be some kind of achievment to spend so much on 'quality' foreign players all with great ball skills and then watch them get outplayed, and what is worse out thought by lowly WBA.

    How do you do that!
     
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    I know lennon can be frustrating but his work rate in closing down and tracking back has always been good...thought he'd be a first choice for pochetino.
     
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  11. I must be losing my touch!
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  12. The RDBD

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    "I don't understand the modern aversion to playing with wingers.
    Okay, so don't set yourself up to play that way all game, but at the very least use it every now and then to shake things up."

    Nothing wrong with 4-4-2 against most PL teams.
    I also like 4-3-3 the way the U21s were playing it in 2012-13 (Kane really thrived in it) .

    For all the talk of "modern" managers, it seems that managerial dogma is alive and well.
     
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    Lennon on the right wing has often been a threat, yet somehow he's underrated by many fans. I also believe we miss Walker providing width as he often did.

    The question is, with our current squad, who would we choose to play in a 4-4-2?
     
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  14. The Huddlefro

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    Now Lennon and Townsend (on the right and left respectively of course) would be good to watch in a proper 4-3-3. Pace and crosses down the wings, but both can vary it and come inside, strictly as an occasional option of course. Pick Capoue, Stambouli and Eriksen in the middle to give a balance of creativity and defensive solidity. On paper I could enjoy a team set up like that. We'll never see it under Poch though because he loves the 4-2-3-1, which is fine when it works. His Southampton team played football the way I like football to be played - good movement, quick passing, high intensity in pressing and attacking movement. But he clearly needs to work on that philosophy here at Spurs, whether that is drilling it further into the players or adapting it to what he has available until the January transfer window. Not because the fans won't ultimately give him time - although I could see unrest beginning if we lost midweek and get tanked at the Emirates - but because I don't trust Levy to hang fire.
     
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    "The question is, with our current squad, who would we choose to play in a 4-4-2?"

    Middle 4 would be Townsend, Eriksen, Capoue/Stambouli, Lennon.
    With Rose and Walker at FB, the instruction would be for Townsend/Lennon to drop
    back a bit if either FB goes bombing down the other end (the "total football" concept) .

    Chadli I understand can also play left flank (though he doesn't in the classic sense) .
    Does Lamela also have a tendency to work the right side of the pitch ??
     
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    "Now Lennon and Townsend (on the right and left respectively of course) would be good to watch in a proper 4-3-3."

    Townsend knows how to play the "roaming" role in the front three of a 4-3-3 from his U21s time. So does Ceballos.
    Lennon IMHO cannot.


    "On paper I could enjoy a team set up like that."

    I assumed the intent was to play 4-3-3 seriously at some stage (given the U21s were playing it) .
    Spurcat would be more ITK as to whether this is an experiment that got ditched once either of
    AVB or the Timmy/Ramsey combo got their P45s.
     
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  17. The Huddlefro

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    Lennon does appear occasionally off his wing I think, and his raw pace down the inside channels could be a weapon to at the very least draw a defender's attention away from another threat. And the impression I got (I think this was from Spurcat over the summer while it was being discussed whether Lennon and/or Townsend should be moved on) was that part of why Lennon had been indispensable for so many Spurs managers down the years was because of his willingness and ability to follow instructions on the pitch, qualities that were said to be lacking in Townsend.
     
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  18. PleaseNotPoll

    PleaseNotPoll Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Lennon's one of our 100% players.
    He may not be brilliant in every game, but there's not many times that he'll leave the pitch and I'll think he's not put everything in.
    We don't have enough of those left, in my opinion.
     
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  19. The RDBD

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    "Lennon does appear occasionally off his wing I think, and his raw pace down the inside channels could be
    a weapon to at the very least draw a defender's attention away from another threat."

    Yep.
    The goal in the 2012 NLD at WHL was exactly like that. Didn't he score one like that in pre-season ??
     
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  20. The Huddlefro

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    I can't recall I'm afraid RDBD. I agree with PNP in that sense though and I think it makes Lennon very important - we've lost so many players over the last few years that the fans really liked/identified with - King, Dawson, Holtby, Sandro, Defoe etc. Lennon is one of the only ones left, but he's one of those for that exact reason, he always seems to give his best on the pitch. It's odd thinking he's one of our 'old guard' now!
     
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