realistically what do you expect? Even Tottenham with all their resources have failed to crack top 4. Liverpool have struggled for years too despite winning the European cup 5 times... What is it exactly that Newcastle fans want? im not being arrogant or mean im just calling it as I see it... Newcastle have never really been successful. yet for years due to huge pressure around the place, it seems managers always end up at this point in the north east... you were in the championship 3 or 4 years ago, the squad was all over the place...but here we are internationals throughout the team..Alan pardew has stabilised nufc, gotten you into the europa league aswell! Last season after a great start, and a really dissapointing end Newcastle STILL finished in a very comfortable position. Im just really curious... from the fans, rather than the bs media.. Whats the problem at Newcastle United?
I could say you lot hounding out Benitez was ****ing absurd as most other fans of other clubs would probably agree. I could also say you were never in contention of anything until the massive cash boost you recieved. Yet, I don't as I'm not privy to all information and fan expectations. You don't watch us like we don't watch Chelsea. So we can never truly understand supporters frustrations can we?
I can't speak for everyone, but what I want is a top 7 finish, a decent cup run, and to finish above the mackems. I'd take 2/3 of that though.
Sorry, I guess we should be happy that Ashley and Pards have "stabilised" the club following the departures of Cabaye, Ba, Debuchy, etc. and managed to lift us into the relegation zone with some of the worst performances ever witnessed at St James Park.
Cabaye went to psg, ba went to chelsea, debuchy went to the arsenal. all three get/got paid more at those clubs...none pf those players at least to my knowledge wanted to stay at Newcastle... I understand frustration at the situation bit hpw can ypu blame the board fpr them leaving!?! the football part I understand, but key players getting injured/kucking off when they chose cant have helped him can it?!
I have absolutely no problem with this kind of post, and in fact encourage it. Other boards would tell you to f*** off and call you a WUM, I hope we're a bit different. What we expect, is for the large amounts of cash being thrown at the club via TV etc, and selling players, to be reinvested back into the team, like every other premier league club. It isn't, though, leading us to having a really poor squad. Mike Ashley has got this idea of buying cheap, selling high, as per his main business, but that's only going to be hit and miss in football. You do have to pay for top talent. While other clubs spend millions to stay where they are, we've consistently let transfer windows go and signed nobody, despite glaringly short numbers in several areas. When we do sign players, as we have in the last one (for the first time in the last 4 windows), we sign cheap players that first of all don't replace the players that have left (positionally, or quality wise), and second of all we've still ignored the glaring gaps we had in the squad... AND THEN WE LET PLAYERS GO!!!!! WTF?! Table-wise, you can't bait anyone into saying we expect anything above 8th. We've been content with the position of our club, mostly, for the last few seasons. We're a mid-table club, at best under this regime. Now, however, we've been gutted, ignored that we've been gutted.... waited for a season and half, realised we've been gutted, and then bought cheap players with peanuts of the cash available to the club to keep the owner's unworkable model going. We take issue with that, most of all. Second of all, we take issue with the fact the football has been utterly chronic, even in times where we've had a decent squad comparatively. We've scored the least amount of goals this calendar year, I believe, conceded the most, and lost a hell of a lot.
I appreciate that there are more than 8 teams that want to be top 8, and more than 10 teams who want to be top 10 so I can accept trying and failing. What we struggle to accept is a team wanting to finish 11th-17th and playing hoofball. I could even take getting beat if we're at least trying to play decent football. I'm not getting carried away with today's comeback, but I am at least pleased that we played less hofball and tried building from the back more. The problem is that it probably won't last. If it did we might actually improve a bit with Cisse on the pitch.
I have no problem at all with players genuinely progressing their careers at bigger clubs with more ambition. What I have issue with us our owner's lack of ambition and inability / unwillingness to replace the players with equivalent quality. We do not expect to be top 4. But we do want a club paying with passion, wanting to win and giving it a go. What we're seeing are terrible performances, not befitting the Premier League.
All I'm after is a manager to believe in. Preferably with an owner to suit. I don't believe for one second we belong in the CL, or even the EL, but to play cavalier football, with passion in every game, would do me. I get it, to the outsider it looks like we fcking complain and are in the PL, so should shut up. That's not reflective of the situation, nor is it so easy to pigeonhole the locals.
The reason he needs to go is because he has played the same dire, tepid tactics for several years now yet claims he is an attack minded manager. You mention some quality players that have left us - they were the reasons we finished so high in one season and didn't capitulate every game and not Pardew. He blames everyone, fans included, but himself. He has player favourites who are beyond s**te and then alienates the good ones. We have played the same corner tactic for over 100 games now to zero effect! If we score a goal, no matter who the opposition is, we sit back for the entire game. He has no motivational skills - see any half time talk of his! He claims to promote youth players but apart from Dummett (who all fans know that he is s**t) and Sameobi (who all fans know is s**t) none have come through. He is a poor mans Sam Allardyce and that is why he needs to go! Yes, he has one hand tied behind his back in terms of incomings and outgoings but he has many international players and bloody good footballers at this club yet he has turned them in a Sunday pub team. I don't expect us to win every game but I want us to at least put up a sodding challenge. I expect that when our game is not going to plan the plan is bloody changed. When a tactic, no matter how small a tactic it is, is not working, I expetc it to be bloody changed. When every single human, both supporters and non supporters can see that Haidara is better than Dummett, Gouffran is knackered, Sissoko isn't a right winger, Willo and Saylor are awful, Anita should be starting and Ben Arfa is/was our best player, then I bloody expect Pardew to see at least some of this! I want the maanger of our club to say how it is! None of these bloody lies! He opens his mouth out and whoops a lie drops out. I would write more but I can't believe Cisse has saved him! (Oh and I think Cisse is great and I will never ever want us to lose even if I knew Pardew would be sacked!)
Thanks all for not jumping the gun etc... ive just been wondering about the issue for quote a bit. I understand about the poor football, and understand how frustrating it must be. if im honest, the other stuff im 50-50 on but thats the beautiful thing about football eh? Again thanks for shedding light on stuff for me
But after 2 years of poor football, and with different playing staff, then who has to be held responsible? Of course, it is the manager and his coaching team! If we were a small business and Pardew was running the company we would have gone out of business 18 months ago!
When your football club tells you that its only ambition is to stand still, survive, just do enough to stay exactly where we are, not progress, not move forward, not challenge for a cup..................... does any fan expect that??
I guess if u have to blame someone the players themselves have to bear the brunt of the responsibility actually. they haven't really performed tp their capabilities. However, Newcastle aren't a Liverpool Tottenham etc, its a sad fact but nufc can't attract worldclass players...so to me I don't know how you expect top ten players to give you anything better than top ten? the board can't get them in because they are actually being responsible. Leeds had a wild ride but look how that turned out? not everyone can be in Europe etc...sometimes clubs have to sit out of the big boys table...Its the nature of the beast unfortunately. Its pretty **** to say but I feel its the truth...its not that bad at Newcastle..it could be a lot worse, at least you have a pasaionate manager because I tell you what there are FAR easier ways to earn a crust than being a Newcastle manager! Id say fans should lower their expectations but thats not what being a fan is about I suppose. We all want tp dream we all want a shot at glory.. I just hope that whatever happens you guys can regroup and give the best you can...at least to make the fans happy..
At the risk of sounding deluded, why should we accept that we cannot ever be a champions league team again? We've been in it more often than spurs. We've won more games in it than Man City. As for the Europa League/UEFA Cup - we're just outside the top 20 in the all time league. Why should we settle for mediocrity?
You see, your 'nice' approach isn't hiding potential WUMMERY here. Or you are choosing to read what you want. Let me clarify the bold sections above. We're not in the top 10, we're in the relegation zone. Top 10 would be great thanks. As many have said, we don't expect Europe, so don't give us crap about 'lowering expectations' as it's patronising. We just want a club to be proud of. Mid-table would be fine so long as there is visible ambition, spirit and pride displayed by management and playing staff. We are not seeing those things. PLEASE ACTUALLY READ THE POSTS IN THIS THREAD.
When Newcastle can sustainably afford better players then they ahould aim for higher amd id agree that yeah, right now the whole aim for between 9th and 12th thing isn't enough. but you aren't at that stage. Yeah historically you can argue Newcastle deserve to be in those competitions but lets realistically look at the landscape. Man City, owned by a sheik. Chelsea owned by abromovich. Liverpool owned by a yank corporation. Man utd are man utd arsenal are arsenal. Tottenham, and everton are a very similar case to Newcastle, but theyve been well run for years. With an owner who kept his firm hand on the club and managers who went with the long term plan. Even spurs with their European model have been plotting on getting to where they are today regardless of who they sacked and hired. Plus the fact that they sold the world's most expensive player hwlped them ammass a pretty strong squad. So that being said...who do ypu want to finnish above this season? Thats the point im making. The owner yeah could pump money he doesn't have into the club. But what would that serve? Eventually the bubble would pop and you'd be grateful to be where you arr now!! if the owner sells the club (which from media reports he has been trying to do) then obviously its a different story. im not wumming just putting fprwards a (at least I think lol) a calm and realistic point of view forward.
3 other clubs would be nice You've just ignored all the points people have made, and stuck to your erroneous belief... What's the point?
