OT: Mafia game thread starts Sunday 8pm 14/9/14

I think in general survival instinct can be too strong and i had sewn in a general mafia to go play this kind of role... I think unitl someone actually reveals themselves and instantly dies and the town loses this reveal all tactic will be employed.

I think its foolish and if you get infor you should at least try to seep it out there if you can... game one was correct. you had the don if you could get him killed it was all over... I actually managed to make a draw but danilo failed to use and action.

this game I've shown that as sky reveled himself he was wide open to be converted right away but killing was actually blocked and could've tipped the game.....

the odn is onyl valuable as long as he has moves. the snitch and pi are very valuable to the mafia but the chances of a pi finding a 2/11 shot first compared to a 4/15 shot x 2 isn't good.

the gmae seems to hang on which investigator goes first. and who reveals what. IF sky had kept his mouth closed until he found real info then he'd got a shot later on.

 

The strategy is the maximum number of people in the coinflip you can get.

Mafia don't give a **** about a 2-way coinflip between innocents. The more people in the flip the more risk to mafia. The fact that the original 2-way and even the later 3-way had zero mafia in it demonstrates my point that when people start voting all over the place with zero information in round 1 the mafia can just sit back and let them settle on innocents, meaning the coinflip in round 1 is almost guaranteed to kill and innocent unless everyone is involved and my mathematical argument that pure chance is the BEST we can hope for (and the worst case scenario for the mafia*).

Remember this for the next game #onevoteeach

*excluding psychic powers, of course

 

infairness though.... you swtiched from astro to nozzer day 2... did you hold back on day 2 for some reason or what? the first day you hit nozzer then swtiched to rhc so i suppose it could be continuing the pattern

day 3 you actually started with a vote 3rd (ie night) on minxy then voted billy then lucaas... If you had a suspect you did say so but didn't try to bring it out... the game was toast at 7pm so had danilo not spoke you would have lost.

I do agree that the vote switch to afcftw by ibwt as a resutl of the 3 votes on him was telling, i think everoyne saw it.

 

This... and...

Day 1 is a big crap shoot... Don't feel bad for getting the wrong person on day one. Even day 2... it takes a while to catch someone. Getting that first Mafia member is the most important.

That's true... although, I think when you have several suspects early in the game- it makes sense to pick someone who you have support for- or you lose the vote. (bit like 3rd party in politics). All the singleton and non consequential votes on non-candidates bother me... I haven't looked back but I'm willing to bet the Mafia voted in singleton votes, or for non-candidates in the early days.

Last day- I voted IBWT even though there were 4 or so names already up there... and stuck with him because I was getting increasingly sure... and was getting annoyed I couldn't get anyone to join me... .... I had already made my mind up to switch to Minxy last minute if vote didn't change...

 

Yes but you miss the point.

Get 3/4 people in the coin toss.. then see who moves... no moves... maybe they are innocent.... then move it around... those quietly inserting names were the ones guilty.

The only way to play round one is to all accept as townies that nobody is really suspected and seeing more than 2/3 votes on anyone is suspicious in itself. then you simply see what comes out. The whole round hinges on the last hour not what people say and it is stupid in the extreme to put someone up for lynching based on a pm comment for example.... someones got to go. I'd rather have seen a 5 perosn split with 3 votes and then see who's trying to make it fiar and who's just plonked a vote down and wlaked off and not trying to make it fair than see a 15/1 easy peasy round fro the mafia.

Plus having say 5 ties means that you have to be unlucky not to get one mafia up there so its really down to the balls of the mafia to take the risk. 1/3 chance of a mafia... make that say still low chance of don but if the don is up has he the balls to tkae it and the 20% chance of death?

I can say right here right now IF i am not running the next game I will not adhere to your scheme of 15 or whoever many people with 1 vote each. it is too simple

The inexperience of us all shows cos the quiet ones got to round 3 without too much trouble and bascially nobody got whacked out of game by revealing themselves. The next one if organized will be interesting.

 

Mito if you have it easy to hand is love to see what happened after milk voted each day. I have a feeling once he voted a few others would have followed suit on all of his choices. Might be wrong but I have a feeling people trusted him as he'd played the game before.

 

Why would you not want ALL the mafia in the coinflip since they will use their information to make sure no mafia are in a limited coinflip EXACTLY like we did in the last game?

Innocents need to understand that they really have no information to make a sensible accusation and unless multiple people magically hit the 1/15 (or whatever) chance of randomly voting for the don then they are guaranteeing a dead innocent round 1

If people start throwing around accusations it is SO SO SO easy for the mafia to say nothing dangerous and hide behind people who have alreayd voted

 

Could I have saved Sky from Biscan and Magic on the same night then?

 

Astro... the no info thing is key. Town needs to get info and they never do if it is 1 vote per person.

 

One thing forgot to say. Was after I converted danilo I was going to get him to grass up minxy and take a hot on the team. That made sky's no information look iffy and keep your trust in danilo while I vote off minxy covering myself.



Problem was danilo said he investigated Gerrez before hed read my plan so we couldn't do it.

In summary danilo ruined us as townie and as mafia

 

Also agree with Astro based on my experience in mafia.

You lot made first round easy for us by picking on each other. Meant we could sit back n watch it all happen and split our votes around.

 

FFS... The aftermath is as bad to keep up with as the bloody game!

 

I think that could be explained by the fact that there were so many noobs playing the game for the first time, myself included.
Took a round or so to get into it.

 

Town is always going to do that day one. Look at Mafia 1. You and Gerrez ran away with the vote- then somehow Astro started picking up all the votes... all three of you were innocent that game- and town had no clue who was Mafia.

That's why need to watch... if anyone is getting all the votes and no one is stopping them... either the Mafia doesn't care... or they realize it's inevitable and are hiding amongst the townies.

 

Fixed

 

i have the table there


day one:

lucaas voted for bodanki with reason being he was chelsea this was first vote of whole game and didn't change
ibwt voted bodanki and voted 11th
minxy voted astro and voted 12th, in consequential vote.
astro voted nozzer and was only mafia to swtich (late to gerrez) he voted 14th out of 15 people

so all mafia could have stuck to thier one votes but i can see that astro's vote actually took bodanki out of the 2 way and saved suspicion right?


day 2:
lucaas voted 7th and voted for magic, this put magic out there and was single vote
ibwt voted for afcftw and voted 9th. he switched to astro and stuck there
astro voted 11th and voted magic (easy vote)
minxy voted for milk and was 13th voter


see that mafia started out spreading votes day one and on day 2 it was too too easy as all piled on magic. i still think the vote to astro was insurance as there had to be some worry astro was under threat and being suspected.

did anyone think ibwt voting for astro made him an innocent even for a day?

day 3:
ibwt voted 8th and this day he voted 4 times. i felt this drew him to attention afcftw, bod, the problem vote of danilo then switched to lucass. i felt if he's not voted danilo he'd have got away
lucaas voted 9th for billy, swtched to bodanki
astro voted 10th, bodanki, then switched to danilo
minxy voted last for lucaas

say 4:
ibwt voted 6th and went billy then afcftw
minxy voted 7th and voted milk then afcftw.... perhaps putting more on earlier on afcftw would have helped
astro voted 8th and voted minxy then end up switching


the last day was a reaction and became obvious.



on the other hand gerrez for example day one and two voted early then very clearly voted late once others voted day 3 and 4.

milk, you went the opposite, you were middle of the road day one and two.... suggesting what 1pm each day then voted really early round 3 and 4 = voting at first hour after info came out. day 3 you switched 3 times and could easily have been voted out as a result but danilo really saved you



the story is lots of votes and activity draws attention. consistency doesn't.

the mafia were targetting i feel certain times to throw a vote out there. perhaps there was some personal life in that but you can see that voting less early allowed them to go on and really despite astro saying it wasn't a tactic and flagged. switching from bod to gerrez in the vote really should have blown the mafia day one if 3/4 experience players were looking.... those on bodanki were:

lucaas all day....nozzer at one point amongst many votes, ended on rhc..... rhc himself until he voted milk.... afcftw until he switched to sky.........ibwt was on bodanki at the end

so if people looked at who was on bodanki the lucaas, nozzer, afcftw and ibwt plus astro should have been suspect.... 3 of 4 mafia!!!

 

So for Mafia 3 are we waiting for next international break so we don't kill the forum...


If someone else want to run it- they're welcome to it... if not... I may run a Vampire Vs Mafia. (I've got a more creative idea I want to try- but don't think town is ready for it yet... ).

 

Day one and two I wasn't voting early because I had no clue.
Day three and four I voted early because I wanted to influence the vote.

 

your action was to save sky. ibwt was hitting sky right up to end. if this continued you could have been crucial and everyone would have known sky was a investigator and it'd blow the future stategy.... but ibwt changed as he explained himself.

re magic you can't save a lynching but you were on astro and switched vote to magic... whether you feel different voting could have saved him fine but i just felt like everyone fell for the he was off and no don action ploy.

 

honestly not into vampires frankly. actually i have visceral reaction to vampire crap so id rather a 2 mafia team approach. with careful balancing of numbers and powers.