Well, at least this time, those treacherous bastards in Scotland who voted for Independence won't be facing torture and execution, like back in the good old days, of Longshanks and Cromwell.
Yes I don't disagree with you in that anylsis and yes I am expressing a wide disatisfaction with UK politics. The process you describe is fundamental to the problem. A Political Party should be leading it's followers not pandering to their short term wants, it should be forging new paths. The two most radical governments we have had since WW2 are IMO Clement Atlee in the immediate post war period and Thatcher in the 80's. Both of these governments introduced NEW and radical policy albeit from opposite ends of the political spectrum. Now it is time for new ideas to match the changing world. The world of the 50's to the 80's to the 2020's changes out of all recognition. Politics of the personality will really not cut it.
I am not saying you are Dev or a lot of the Yes supporters, but there is definitely a large section of the Yes support that think that. I am only going on what I have seen written down. I have no grudge to bear with any Scottish person that voted Yes I'm just saying it on what I have seen.
That's what I mean Boss. Perhaps "a large section" is an exaggeration, perhaps it's just these people that I noticed more.
Where and what crackerman? Perhaps we don't want to get into that but if you tell me the media I will bite your head off. Please please do not believe the media in this their lies were rife, even the police in Scotland complained about the lies in the media. http://www.spf.org.uk/2014/09/spf-media-release-independence-referendum-2/
Two balanced articles from the BBC. Scotland votes 'No': What happens now? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29252899 Scotland votes 'No': How the 'No' side won the referendum http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29223984
I've witnessed absolutely ZERO Anti English feeling whatsoever, and I work in the Centre of Glasgow. English people were not a significant factor in either the voting or the original decision to have a referendum. What you have seen written down is probably the rantings of a minority of vocal cretins who hate the English, but this whole thing was about Independence for it's own sake, not through a dislike of English people.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29255449 I think the map in this link shows just how much of Scotland wants to remain in the uk. There was a 10% diff fence overall and although it's still 1.6m people voting yes they are mainly focused in a few small areas of the country. No single place had over 57.4% voting yes, but the no had up to 67.2% and over 60% in several areas. The highest vote turnout was also in the areas where the yes vote won, and only marginal wins, this shows how the campaign has just managed to rile up lots of people in a few places. The general feeling across the vast majority of Scotland is obviously that being with the UK is the right thing to do. Edit: I've read the second map the wrong way round! The areas where yes won where mainly lower voter turnout. So low turnout and still marginal wins for yes.
I'm talking about things like facebook and Twitter. Anyway as Dev says it is probably just a minority. I suppose like a few football hooligans can give a bad impression of a club.
Clement Atlee. MacDonald was the traitor who lead a Government of Tories and Liberals to crush the Great Strike
Conversley you could say the poorer areas voted for change in the hope change would make things better which isn't necessarily the case
The vocal minority always poison an objective view, I can assure you where I work no one has mentioned England in this whole debate. Look at the abuse Andy Murray got yesterday from one sicko, that hardly proves that all no Campaigners are hateful tossers.
Well every area other than four geographically small areas voted No so if they are the only poor areas Scotland is doing pretty well for itself
Going with that train of thought and away from Scotland slightly, I think a huge problem in the next 10/20 years is going to be that a large number of young adults right now are hugely disenchanted with UK politics - the way it works and the parties/personalities/institutions of state involved. Part of this might be addressed if we do see a progression to a 'Federal UK' but still, the people in politics remain a barrier. We all know that the vast majority of MPs (or at the very least, the ones holding major public office in Westminster) are, if not from Oxbridge stock, at the very least privately and University educated. So how does one break into politics without fitting that mould? As a politically minded and politically thoughtful (but admittedly not politically active) recent graduate I have no idea, and I think this is a failing. How are the young people of today - a generation that could be maybe not even be retiring for 50 years or more now and thus a demographic acutely in need of political representation in my mind - going to get their voices heard when we are never told how to become politicians or how to gain political representation without voting for parties we don't agree or identify with? That said, sections of every generation of University students have felt this for decades now so maybe I'm just missing something! Although, and without trying to propagate the stereotype of students being purely left-wing (although with today's NUS - itself often hardly representative of student opinion - its probably true in my experience), the move of Labour to centre-right may have dampened the voices of young students of that particular persuasion somewhat. May you live in interesting times eh?
Is this a bad reason for voting no? And a concession from you that people might have been a lot worse off after a yes vote?
Personally i'm not sure why so many are derisive of the strong Oxbridge political contingent, it's totally counter-intuitive, we should celebrate the fact that many of the country's most intellectually capable people want to go into politics. You may describe them as 'the elite', but they have got there on merit mostly, regardless of socio-economic upbringing. Yes it's easier to be clever if you've been to Eton and Oxford, but that doesn't take away from the fact that they ARE clever.
True, but you get the impression that the current lot are elitest and in it for their own ends. And there is an absence these days of clever people from more modest backgrounds in politics. You won't see another Harold Wilson, for example. Oxford educated, but from a humbler background and much more a "man of the people."
