King, Spurf and others, I feel for you. To me change is for all the uk. Good luck , take it on the chin, we are all cousins on this little island. We have a common heritage no matter what the politicians say. Scotland has spoken for everyone in Britain. Time to kick out the privileged silver spoon chinless wonders.
I'm glad that the Scottish public has taken the side of common sense. 55-45 - what auntie is projecting now - is a wider margin than I expected. However, that still leaves the fact that 1.5mil people voted for independence. Even discounting the emotional anti "auld enemy" votes, that still leaves a lot of dissatisfied Scots, who will expect Westminster to follow through on their promises.
Seeing Salmond's defeated face was a small price to pay for what I really wanted to see which was a Scotland with NO POWER over England. Why the hell they vote on English affairs baffles and angers me and I wanted and still want an end to it, it's unfair on England. So keep them devolved but somehow keep them from away from Westminster along with the Welsh and the Irish. So England remains the doormat. I will not offer condolences to the defeated who post on this site. You said it Spain, Auld Enemy, it wasn't away from the Uk they wanted, it was away from England first.
If you think I'm bitter Sid you should have seen and heard the vitriol standing behind Nick Robertson when he was talking on CNN this morning. Why should I show compassion to those who hate my country? On a personal level I was told by one of the yes campaigners on this site that if he had his way I wouldn't be on this site so I repeat that I will not offer condolences to the defeated. Some of my posts were misinterpreted. Nobody on this site has expressed any opinion on those matters which affect England ie devolution. None of you seem to consider it unfair that Scotland has authority over England conceived by biased Scots in the Labour party, you seem to prefer to criticize the one who prompts the subject rather than the subject itself which is counter productive.
I think what is striking is that even the No vote is still a vote for change, and that this change will be not just for Scotland but for England, and the rest of the UK too. Cameron et. al. have slightly backed themselves into a corner IMO regarding their commitments to process what could effectively become a Federal UK by Spring 2015, as I feel that this process has to take place with all four of the component parts of the UK together, and I don't think that England, Wales and N. Ireland are ready for such processes yet, particularly the last two. The process might work less messily (in the long term) in what Farage called this morning a 'Constitutional Convention', but I doubt that this would be able to take place in the timescale that has, rather rashly, been agreed to by the politicians involved. If we were still only talking about Scotland being devolved further then it might be feasible, but the question is now far bigger than whether Scotland will remain in the Union or have more devolution, because surely if there is a large appetite for English devolution (which there does appear to be), not to mention Wales and N. Ireland, then the processes need to be in tandem rather than one-at-a-time. I guess that the big question now is whether the process will be allowed to have the time it probably needs, or if the decisions will be forced through when perhaps a process of 4-way simultaneous devolution might better serve the interests of each nation involved, as well as the interests of the UK in general. Or have Cameron, Clegg and Milliband backed themselves into an unescapable situation which, if rushed, could have very long term consequences. I would like to see time taken and for it to benefit all four nations as equally as possible, but I have doubts this will happen due to political/public pressure and the need to save face and keep rashly made promises that, although well intentioned, may be to the detriment of the health of the Union.
Ukip leader Nigel farage has written to all 59 Scottish mp's to request that they agree to no longer vote on matters that only effect England.
I'm sure no one wants your compassion. Nobody expressed views on English devolution because that wasn't being voted on. And please stop with the Scottish having authority over the English. Of the 650 MPs, England has more than 550, so nothing is foistered on England.
Plus without the Scots we'd be stuck with greasy dishface as PM forever. Thankyou Scottish Labour voters, keep up the good work until a better alternative comes up
This thread is called Scottish Independence and other political topics so devolution could be broached SD. Yes, the Scots vote at Westminster so it does give them a measure of authority over England. I agree with Farage, the Scots now have no right to vote on English affairs and neither should the Welsh or the Irish. Sid Fid brought up the subject about compassion after repeating my thread.
"Ukip leader Nigel farage has written to all 59 Scottish mp's to request that they agree to no longer vote on matters that only effect England." Indeed. The vote demographics for the regions that had a yes majority will be interesting. If they strongly correlate with MP constituencies currently held by Labour, then Labour really does need Scottish MPs when things are not like 1997.
Looks like the "silent majority" in the No campaign came thru (as Boss suggested it would) . Wow, the result in Salmonds' "own" region is a bit of a slap in the face.
Didn't and wouldn't say it can't be broached - bring up any subject, it's all interesting - but just saying there was a vote on Scottish devolution and so that has dominated discussion. I'm sure how the UK works after the vote will now dominate discussion
Salmond was too quick to boast and make claims about independence winning the campaign as he/they assumed because they stirred up the passion in the nationalists who where loud and taking to the streets, that they where the majority but they where just the loudest! But no boasting, I'm just glad this is the result. Already you can sense this is going to spark positive changes for Scotland, more powers and changes will be made (there is no chance of empty promises) as while this was a comfortable No victory, its clear this debate/vote had to happen and the demand for change was valid, just glad we're all still part of Great Britain!
I’ve been here before. Many times. I didn’t want to be here……….again, but as before I will deal with it. I am happy to have met so many good like minded people with so many shared ideals. I have to be happy that 45% of Scotland believes in itself and believes in a fairer more honest society. We have to support and encourage the young people who joined us in this struggle. These are the people with the understanding and vision to continue this journey towards a better world and as always this is the minority who will lead the way. For many of the weakest in our society times will continue to be very hard, they need us to continue. They need us not to go away.
I think Labour have lost a lot of Scottish voters up here. Ironically, the biggest winners could be the Tories in Scotland because Ruth Davidson came across really well in the debates and conversations.
