Was you never taught that bigger isn't always better? More isn't the answer. We could produce ten times as many players as we do now but if the training schedules / approach isn't right then we just end up with ten Phil Jones' rather than one! Sure, the English players need to be playing more games to help them develop but have more players about isn't going to help that. They will still get the same amount of chances as they do now, maybe less since there are more to 'give experience' too! The B Teams is aimed at addressing this issue and I believe it could work. However, I don't like it because the lower league clubs are getting **** on. I have always said and will continue to say the same thing; the cream always raises. If we produce players that are good enough they will force their way into the top teams. People forget that clubs were full of foreign players when the likes of Rio, Gerrard, Carragher, Terry, A.Cole, Lampard, Rooney, etc broke into their respective teams.
I think English players should be willing to spend some time abroad. Even if its just a loan or they pull a Fabrigas at Arsenal routine.
Players from non EU countries are only given visas provided they are top players from their countries i.e. having played at least 75% of competitive international for their country in the past 2 years and who therefore it is felt can add significantly to the English game - precisely to ensure that clubs aren't signing hordes of cheap non EU players to bench sit so what you're proposing already exists. If these players are just squad fillers they are breaking their visa terms. Interestingly Roberto Martinez has spoken out against Dyke's proposal.
75% of games for someone like Jamaica or Trinidad and Tobago hardly suggests the player is going to be a world beater though does it
My computers on the blink won't let me copy and paste Basically he said more resources should be put into youth development and having quotas isn't the best way to develop young English talent the best way to do that is at U16 and U 19 level.
The non EU country they are coming from has to be ranked in the top 70 - Trinidad and Tobago aren't in that The criteria already laid down - and we have the strictest visa rules of all EU countries on this btw - means only those players deemed to be the very best are allowed to come here. A club claiming they are isn't the end of it, the applicant can still be refused. I don't see how much stricter they could be on this really. As RM has said it isn't the answer, develop the youth properly and there'll be a steady supply of good English talent.
No they're not. As when players fail to meet the criteria and their work permits are refused, clubs simply appeal and more often than not in recent seasons those appeals are successful. Which is exactly Dykes point.
Think the English players are partly to blame. As mentioned an aversion to move abroad is holding some back, foreign influence would help the overall style of the national team and technique of players. But also English players are too willing to sit on the bench at a big club where they know they're never going to be first team regulars than to accept or force a move to a 'lesser club'. The best examples would be any English player that made the move to Man City in the last 5yrs, Rodwell, Sinclair, Milner, Johnson. I get that they wanted to play for a club with title aspirations but as soon as they realised they were just bought to make up squad numbers you would have hoped they would have wanted out to play more games. Rodwell finally gets his move out of Citeh and suddenly he's in the frame for England again the same for Johnson, Sinclair has virtually vanished from the face of the earth and Milner could have made so much more of his career. English players are too willing to take the money and not play on the tiny hope they manager might one day pick them over the foreign superstar. Its not going to happen. English players are also way over priced, why buy an English player for £10+ million when you can go and buy a Spanish, French or non-EU player who is the same quality for half the price. The lower clubs can't afford to speculate on the English player when they have a limited budget.
Fair enough, not read the rules I did say the non-EU players is a small proportion of the league... Dyke as said he is talking about roughly 80% of those players.
You make some really good points. Also the fact that England haven't been any good since we last won the WC which is nearly 50 years ago now and blaming foreign players is looking in the wrong direction.
There are about 50 million people in England and about 7 billion in the rest of the world. Logic dictates that there are many more players of every level of skill and/or development throughout the world than we can provide. As the PL is one of the most attractive leagues in the world there are bound to be a large number of foreigners wanting to play here, and wanted by the clubs. If the game is truly international then all the major leagues are going to be increasingly cosmopolitan by nature unless they introduce measures to limit them- and that's shooting themselves in the foot. Even Ludogorets had several foreigners in their side, including a couple of Brazilians.
Brilliant point that needs raising with the FA. Rafa has admitted we paid £17m for Johnson over a cheaper foreign option because of home grown player quotas when £17m offered no value for money. He originally wanted Barry to replace Alonso, who was cheaper, ideal footballwise and English. But we missed out and had to look abroad. But in most scenario's we'd walk away. Manquillo for cheap or Clyne for expensive? Moreno or Shaw. And the ones we messed up on - Carroll or Huntelaar/Llorente. Wenger has been quietly highlighting this issue for years with his transfer dealings. Now English manager Pardew is doing it to.
It comes back to what you said earlier about team over nation. There has to be a will to do it. Clubs want to win trophies and to do that they obviously want the best players at value for money which usually means foreign over British. Fans also want to see the best players in this league - would we be willing to forego having Suarez type players to see England national side do better?? The answer doesn't take much thinking about.
What incentive is there for clubs to do it? Clubs rightly care about themselves and themselves only. All that matters to them is being as success as they possibly can and they don't give two cents where the players come from. What's the answer? No idea! How can clubs be encouraged? The only things they are interested in are money and trophies, England certainly can't offer the latter so can something around the former be achieved? It doesn't help that players get injured and the compensation is terrible too.
Exactly. That's right at the core of the matter - there is no incentive and because there is no incentive, Dyke has suggested something to try and force a change and should his proposal happen, we can expect football to become a whole lot duller.
