This is like watching someone threatening to jump off a building...at first, you try and stop them, but if it goes on too lung, you start yelling jump. You don't really want them to, but you want to get on with your own life.
A little uncomfortable with the analogy but basically you're right. If YES the negotiations between Scotland and the rest of the Union will be desperate. If Salmond thinks so little of us now why he thinks we'll just smile and handover assets while ignoring historical debts and obligations god knows. With the breakup agreed Westminster will be out to get the best for England, Wales and N.I. Scotland will not like this. It will get messy and nasty. It will not be about fairness. The rest of the EU is going to be pretty pissed off as well (esp' the Spanish) and will not be in the mood for favours. If No, Salmond will not accept it, he'll start blaming and demanding another poll within 5 years. It's as much due to this I hope Scotland get independence now. It's going to happen at some time so let's just save money and pain, go now.
Much more important than the poor old Scot's sense of injustice and victimisation is the popularity of the beard at the moment. I do not like to do what is popular or to be in with the in crowd so it looks like my beard will have to come off and my chin will, as a consequence, see the sun for the first time in fifty years.
If Scotland does choose independence, and I desperately hope they don't, the next thing that will happen is that the Western Isles, and Orkney and Shetland, and maybe even the Highlands, will demand independence from Scotland. That is the way these things tend to go once countries start to fragment. I cite Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union, and even Ireland, in support of my argument. I know I'm an idealist, but I honestly feel that mankind in general is far better off being united rather than everyone crowing from the top of their own little dung heap. Scotland hasn't suffered in the last 307 years, no more or no less than the rest of the UK has anyway, and they need us as much as we need them.
Are you sure your chin is up to it? My double chin camouflage has to remain until there is less wobble when I nod.
Pards digging his hole just a little deeper. Someone really needs to put hi out of his misery. http://www.not606.com/showthread.php/277837-Just-read-this-What-a-K**b!!?goto=newpost
The OP may have only just read it but he said that ages ago. Possibly well over a year ago. Nothing new in it. May even be a bit of confused truth somewhere in there.
He may well have reiterated what he said before, but it reads almost exactly like he said originally, so I think it's just regurgitation. I think it was said during a pre-match press conference against us. Might have been any one of the previous fixtures over the last year or two, home or away. As I said, there may be a confused truth in there. He knows our Academy coaches the kids both in sport and academic subjects, and installs the right virtues, as they see them, in them. He knows our Academy has contacts with various schools and colleges across the class range. He also knows that we have a catchment area that has had close attention paid to it because, geographically, half of it in the water. So Saints have traditionally tried harder. Perhaps Newcastle don't try quite so hard..?
Great motivational speech......I wonder how that turned out......I'm guessing it started with a four & ended with a 0.
Yep, it's certainly not going to win friends and influence people, is it. But in his crude way he's hitting all those points. It was definitely NOT the thing to be saying in public though. Certainly not that poorly.
I don't think you should cite Yugoslavia. It was always an artificial creation, never a country in it's own right. That's why it was called "dungeon of the peoples", it imprisoned a number of different countries in a dungeon they never wanted to be in.
Fair enough, you obviously know more about the history of that part of the world than I do, but surely whatever the internal tensions suppressed by the Tito regime, they were better off than the horrors that splitting up led to?
Well, there wouldn't be a war, so that's certainly a plus. But, there was also a referendum here before splitting up. 94,17% Croats voted for independence. You can't argue with that.
No you can't, but how many Croats would have voted that way if they had known what independence would precipitate?
I think the same number. People were prepared to wage war for our independence, they felt it was a cause worth dying for. You see, oppression from Yugoslavian government was huge. Country was called SFRJ, Federation of Socialist Republics of Yugoslavia, but it was a federation only in name. In reality, Serbia was dictating rules for other countries, and to such extent that, for example, Croatia was forbidden to use it's own language in schools. It was a totalitarian state, a dictatorship. Serbia wanted to erase national identity of other countries, and Croatians were ready to fight to save theirs. So it's not a similar situation to a present one in Scotland. I suspect they also believe the government in London is oppresing them in some way, but it's not comparable to situation in former Yugolavia.
OK, so not a good comparison at all then! Thanks for that, it's always good to have history made relevant by people who were actually there!
After the last 3 days with pinched nerve in my back, I have been humming that Jack Bruce song, but now I've finally found one that has driven it out. Not bad either: [video=youtube;lzESz3yw9EU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzESz3yw9EU[/video] And the pinched nerve seems better too.
http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/s...away-after-newcastle-found-out-he-had-cancer/ Referring to Pardew again. I posted this on the PL thread...Gutierrez complaining how he was treated by Newcastle when he told them he had cancer.
