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  1. fatletiss

    fatletiss Well-Known Member

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    My only point on this is that there is a vote being held to decide the future of a nation (and affecting other nations) without everything properly decided about the future. Just for example the currency. How can someone decide this future and a fundamental basic like currency not be agreed/decided. I don't just mean the actual term (ie pond sterling/euro/haggis) but the cost. If I was voting if want to know what the cost is and who was paying.

    My only concern as an English man is the overall cost. Who is going to pay for this? I haven't read any of the available documents (my Auntie in Edimburgh showed me the 6" book of info), but for example has the split if national debt been decided upon?
     
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  2. greensaint

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    Quite. What most Scots don't understand is that after months of barely disguised anti English rhetoric many really just want them to bugger off. Not that that would stop the Scots from blaming England for all its problems over the next century. I speak as some one who has Scottish grandparents and who was at one time very proud of it. No longer.

    Salmond has succeeded in making me actually feel sorry for Cameron, his ridiculous statement that Cameron was only trying to save his job, sheesh. I lived in West Sussex and North Dorset for the entire Blair/Brown years, these areas were solidly Conservative but people understood this is what democracy is about. Unless we all become one person states you will always be in that position at times.

    As for Devo Max, no, no, no, no, No!
    Let the Scots fund their own State, vote yes.
     
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  3. lamby

    lamby Needs a cold shower

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    Not sure where to post this so .....


    The 23-year-old Zambia international is available for a move during the loan window and it’s understood Wolves have the pacy youngster in their sights.
    Mayuka, who has almost three years left on his contract, cost Saints between £3m and £3.5m when he joined from Young Boys of Berne in August 2012.
    But he is some way down the pecking order at St Mary’s and it is thought Southampton won’t stand in his way if a loan deal is put to them
     
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  4. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    Makes sense. We have scarcely seen him to judge, but 3 managers have shown no interest in him.
     
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  5. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
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    I have wanted to do just that so often, brilliant!
     
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  6. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    I have always longed to follow someone with their cat and dog poop and put it on their doorstep. I get so angry when I see small plastic bags of dog poo hanging from trees or just dropped in the street....who do they think clears it up...do they think plastic dissolves in the rain. There is a small footpath near my house with at least a dozen such bags which, judging by the identical bags, are dropped by the same person. You know I said I was against capital punishment...well, I lied. <yikes>
     
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  7. Piebacca

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    If Cameron was only out save his job, he'd be solidly behind the yes campaign.
     
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  8. Piebacca

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    Don't drag cats into this. It's dogs, and their owners.
     
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  9. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    My main beef is dogs...but they usually don't crap in my garden. If I ever catch the cat that does, he will get a boot up his bum.
     
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  10. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    Just got tickets for QPR. Haven't been able to go for a year because of my dodgy ticker. Thought I would test it on a game that might not be too stressful (fingers crossed).
     
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  11. fatletiss

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    Cats crap in other people's gardens. Don't get me started ...
     
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  12. SaintStu

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    The thing is Cameron is the leader of the Conservative and Unionist party. So he cannot be seen to be the leader in charge during the break up of the Union.
    He gambled that the No would win and that any involvement from him would muddy the waters. He left it to Alistair Darling who has the Charisma of a wet fish.

    Part of me wants Scotland to vote Yes and for it to fail miserably but the reality is an independant Scotland failure would trigger a EU wide depression and we wil all end up paying for it.
    I really hate the argument SNP use : 'We didn't vote for a Conservative Government" - well neither did I, that's democracy. The 400K Conservative voters in Scotland did not vote for an SNP Scottish Government who got in with just over 420K votes.
     
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  13. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    I think Scotland will end up worse than us, but England will still suffer during the shakedown after independence (if it happens).
     
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  14. AberdeenSaint

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    During the course of this debate, I have personally yet to hear anyone make it an anti-English issue. Not one.
     
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  15. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    Come on, lads. Aberdeen Saint is a no vote...don't change his mind. Think how bad you'd feel if Scotland left the Union by 1 vote :)
     
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    Gordon Brown currently giving the speech of his life by all accounts... wow. Passionate and powerful.
     
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  17. lamby

    lamby Needs a cold shower

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    Pity he didnt do that when he was PM.
     
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  18. greensaint

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    A useful way of measuring the balance of debate is to reverse it. By that I mean imagine some if of the claims and statements made by Salmond were made in the same tone/way by the No side. Wouldn't get away with it. He is a very rude man.

    Salmond never replies to points made just plays the "emotive" card by claiming the Scots are being insulted/undermined/robbed/bullied.

    Don't get me wrong, the No presentation has been negative and pathetic in many areas. I don't even trust all their statements. I started as neutral re Independence, now i just want them to go and stop blaming us for stealing their oil, EEC farm payments, Stone of Scone, women (ok made the last one up) etc.

    Vote yes Aberdeen Saint. Remember you're not a real Scot unless you vote yes.

    (sorry Fran)
     
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  19. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

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    What happens to the armed forces? Obviously the rest of the UK will continue to protect Scotland out of pure self interest...presumably Scotland would only need a few gunboats and a single regiment.
     
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  20. greensaint

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    Apparently we get all the nukes back, Yaaaay!
    But no where to store them, boo.
     
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