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Scottish Independence and other political topics.

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  1. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    I live in Garelochhead nowadays, originally from Dennistoun.
     
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  2. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    I'm afraid if Cameron said that then he's bullshitting. The Army has soldiers from Gibraltar, Malta, and half the Army Rugby team are Fijiians.

    I live on the island of "Great Britain", so there's no reason why Scots cannot be part of the British Lions if Irishmen can.
     
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  3. Boss

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    No, you live in the country Scotland, which forms (together with England & Wales) "Great Britain". "Great Britain" is a political term which describes the combination of England, Scotland, and Wales. If independence happens you will no longer be part of "Great Britain".

    You will still be part of the "British Isles" if we're speaking from a geographically point of view, yet The term "Great Britain" would soon be wording that has no real meaning, any-more, compared to how it has been relevant from previous history, if Scotland gets independence.
     
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  4. Spurf

    Spurf Thread Mover Forum Moderator

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    Agreed! we will all still be British in the same way that Swedes, Danes, Norwegians, Fins, are all Scandinavians.
     
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    Britain is England and Wales, Great Britain includes Scotland (apparently). So Politically it would have no meaning, but Geographically it would. There is no Govt of Britain or Great Britain, so it's never really meant anything - well not since the act of Union anyway.
     
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  6. Boss

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    Yes but this is all about political meaning and how the countries are united so British would be more relevant, like as Spurf mentions above, "Great Britain" is a term that won't be used no longer, and the scots won't be saying "they live on the island of Great Britain", they will be saying "we live in Scotland which is part of the British isles (or Britain)".
     
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    Irishmen are part of the British lions because they are not independent,Southern Ireland is and they do not have players in the British lions,so if scotland vote yes,the scottish players should be excluded from the team
     
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  8. The Mighty Thor

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    tots, I was going to post that but Dev seems a little distant.
     
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  9. totsfan

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    Well he is in Scotland :grin:
     
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  10. DevAdvocate

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    Not at all, I live on the Island Of "Great Britain", hence why the Olympic team is called "Great Britain and Northern Ireland". You are confusing the political "Great Britain" with the geographic one.
     
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  11. DevAdvocate

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    <laugh>

    Are you having a laugh?
     
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  12. NSIS

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    The proper title is British and Irish Lions. And yes, that does include players from Southern Ireland.
     
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  13. The Mighty Thor

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    Well Dev, I think on Friday morning you'll be sitting on your mither's knee, greetin for anither bawbee, tae buy mair Coulter's candy.
     
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  14. Boss

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    I'm not confusing it all as this is a political debate and for that you will no longer be part of Great Britain and there won't be a situation where people say "I live on the island of Great Britain but we're no longer part of Great Britain (in a political sense)" its just wording that isn't going to occur, in real every day life and aspects of being united (as part of Great Britain) will change as this is all about Politics and how leaving "Great Britain" (or staying) effects people.
     
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  15. DevAdvocate

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    That may well be the case but it is unimportant anyway, I doubt many Scots will lose sleep if people don't think of them as British any more.
     
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  16. Boss

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    David Cameron gives emotional speech to Scottish people

    [video=youtube_share;2aWfUcFZ3Zk]http://youtu.be/2aWfUcFZ3Zk[/video]
     
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    How many Scots will be persuaded by his speech do you reckon? I'd guess practically none.

    Scots Tories have already commited to voting NO, so I don't actually know who his target audience is and I doubt any Undecideds will flock to the Polls with Cameron's words still ringing in their ears.

    I think Nick Robinson summed it up best when he said that when he's in the presence of the 3 main Party leaders, you can practically taste their desperation.
     
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  20. Boss

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    When I speak to the voters who say they are unsure , they mention either the currency issue and how their business/jobs will be impacted by not sharing the pound, or how their business would be impacted by trade between South and North, if Scotland went independent and these are people who are either happy with their life, or people who's lives would be hugely impacted if cost of living went up or they lost trade.

    Hearing the PM say "there will be no currency union" means it will win over voters who where unsure and push them to No. how much of a difference that will make? That I can't say. no one can, as we don't know just how close the vote will be, yet there is a fairly large percentage who are classed as "don't know" and I've always thought most would rather stay with what they know, and hearing the PM empathise what will be lost, will help voters decide.
     
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