Soton v Newcastle - Player Stats - Who's to blame?

OK fair enough, the main answer is Pardew, inept and time he went but however bad a manager the players should also take some sort of responsibility.

So I thought I'd dig up the stats of this specific game and see which players deserve a real kick up the backside and which, if any, performed ok....

Krul http://www.oulala.com/en/player-profile/tim-krul/1905
4 goals conceded
1 error led to goal
1 time dribbled past
1/1 50-50 lost
1 cross not claimed
1 missed catch
I used to be his biggest fan, he can be a right headless chicken sometimes...

Coloccini v Williamson
http://www.oulala.com/en/player-profile/fabricio-coloccini/1908
http://www.oulala.com/en/player-profile/michael-williamson/1910
Williamson made an error that led to a goal however provided the team much more positive work defensively than Coloccini did.
At least Williamson tried, Colo used to be one of the best CBs in the league, where's his effort and commitment gone?

Cabella http://www.oulala.com/en/player-profile/remy-cabella/1320
This guy was awesome in Ligue 1 last year, goals and assists aplenty. Yet he's terrible for Newcastle.
3 missed crosses
3 fouls committed
9/13 50-50s lost
4 missed dribbles
2 balls lost on first touch
What a liability this guy is!


Gouffran http://www.oulala.com/en/player-profile/yoan-gouffran/1934
I'm always impressed with him! His stats again for this game suggest he's playing well!
4/5 50-50s won
2 corners won
1 shot assist
1 shot on target
1 successful dribble
1 blocked cross
1 defensive clearance
1 interception
His defensive contribution cannot be questioned here, great player IMO.

Riviere http://www.oulala.com/en/player-profile/emmanuel-riviere/1303
Terrible, lost the ball way too many times, he and Cabella in the same team just does not work!


What say the rest of you???

 

Good to see an objective view not just blaming Pards.........although of course he is to blame.

 

Ashley

 

PLayers have to take some responsibility.

 

Of course the players performed badly, but these are all players bought to the club (or kept on at the club) by Pardew. He's sets them up, he (supposedly) organises them. He chooses to play one up front. It's his decision to play the lazy diagonal set piece to Williamson with any and every free we get in and around the half way line.

It doesn't excuse the lack of effort from some players, let's face it Colo just doesn't want to be here anymore, everyone can see that and yet Pardew STILL keeps him on as our captain. Another bad decision from him.

If your manager in work head butted a customer but then told you off for having a 10 minute chat with a colleague would you respect him enough to not do it again???

All of this, the whole sorry mess is down to Pardew which ever way you look at it. His players, his formations, his set pieces, his team talks, his lack off professionalism (head butt, calling Pelligrini and old c*nt, shoving a linesman), his style of play. I could go on but is there any point.

Jesus he wanted to extend Shola's stay, that should tell you everything you need to know about the man.

 

Put simply, you cannot defend like we did and expect to achieve anything. I was quite honestly anticipating us losing quite heavily, but I at least thought it would be because Southampton fundamentally have better players. They didn't even need them, Gateshead would have thrashed us.

Williamson, for all he's lorded for improving a fraction, has never, ever, in a million years, been good enough to be a starting CB in the premier league. The fact he became one of our starters should have sent alarm bells ringing, but now we're actually on fire and still everyone is sitting at their desks typing away ignorantly, going "do you smell burning... no, me either... la la la la la". He put in one of the most awful CB displays of recent memory, and still we probably have to start him because we have nobody else.

Coloccini... What's wrong with him, I don't know, but he's looking like Colo of season 1 ... Past his peak? Mind not on it? Missing his Argentinian bum-chum? He'd have to be benched as well, if we had any other defenders he'd have been dropped.

Cabella/Riviere have genuinely shown absolutely nothing thus far.

Krul is just a mess. He's a family man now and perhaps the baby is taking all his time and effort, but honestly, sell the **** and get Darlow in. I realise he's not actually better, but we had a fine tradition of having the best goalies in the league. Now he's just ****ting all over that! Tim is still the erratic mess he was when he got a start as a teenager in Europe.

Sissoko's ability is pretty much dictated by the quality around him, and so his currently level is akin to that of turd burglar.

 

The players are **** so you can't blame them.

 

Unfortunately true. I think some of them are a bit better than they're showing, but overall the responsibility is down to the regime strategy. Not Pardew for having to deal with the resultant selection. It's like the biggest, ugliest in-mate coming up to you with a barrel, inside which is 100 bits of folded up paper with a different way he's going to f*** you on it, and letting you stick your hand in and pick.

 

It's all about money football I actually rubbish the theory is doesn't guarantee success because it does in some capacity. We are a low budget no frills club and get very little back for our money.

 

You could have stopped there for me, it was slapstick stuff without any form of humour

 

I don't rate cabella so far...but how can you blame him? as usual he's out of position, he's never been a winger in all his life and that's where Pardew has put him. The one game he played in the centre he looked somewhat of the player we had apparently signed

 

I was watching some of the highlights on Sky yesterday. I had to mute it because that arsehole Gale was sticking up for Pardew saying bulls**t like 'It's because he is from London the fans don't like him' or something similar - not due to the fact he is a s**t manager and we have been wretched for an age.

Anyway I saw one of the players try some pass, an aburd long ball with too much pace at Cabella, totally going over his head and he turned and motioned the 'Calm down' type thing and you could see he is not use to this type of inane bollocks we play. He seems surprised that we have no fixed plan, how we don't act in any sort of unison and how truly s**t we are.

 

well pardews master plan always seems to buy "flair" players so he can then turn to them and go "right lads hows your hold up play"
just madness on all counts and blaming the fans just shows how disgusting the man is.

 

One of the most galling things I found from Pardew's post match interview, was how he said it wasn't easy for the players to play in these circumstances. What circumstances? Prior to Saturday, we had lost one and drawn two. Not a brilliant start, but we weren't in free fall with the fans baying for blood, yet. It was the complete shambolic display that triggered the fans.

So Pardew was basically waiting for us to react negatively, which means he is aware of the problems, he just pretends that he isn't. The man is a knob of the highest order.

 

what upset me as much as pardew were the reactions of the players. Only Janmaat came over to applaud and was really trying to get the other players to come over. None of them looked like they cared and basically refused to come over. Sadly I think our Import culture is a massive part of the problem. Shipping out players like Perch, Barton, Simpson And Nolan has ripped some of the soul out of the team.
They may not have been the best players but at least they cared! This still dosnt justify the ****tness of pardew but the sickness truly runs deep now and healing one ailment wont stop our utter decline into obscurity

 

I've heard a few other people say the same thing. I was watching on a stream, and waited to see what Pardew did after. Once I saw him race off down the tunnel, I switched off so didn't see the lack of players going over to the fans. That is terrible. If the captain doesn't implore the players to go over, then at least the manager should! The fact it was a new signing that was doing his best to acknowledge the fans is pretty damning! Good on Janmaat for doing it, but it reflects really badly on the players that have been here for ages and should know better. It's just so typical of NUFC to go in to meltdown four games into a new season. I can't believe I'm willing the season to be over already...

 

it was pretty terrible, a few players looked at him waving them over and stood on the half way line and clapped almost as if to say well done for travelling so far but hey im a millionare I don't care.
Was very sad to see especially for the support we the fans always give

 

I wouldn't excuse the players for not coming over and clapping but you'd have to question the merits of doing so given how the fans were vocalising their frustration at the time. Certainly in the past you'd have had an apologetic effort from say a Barton or Nolan but still, its probably a minor issue in the grand scheme of our problems!

 

I think it says a lot for the players character, turn in a performance which was conference worthy and seemingly don't give two tosses about it. In my book that's just doesn't wash, these players are paid a lot of money out of the clubs pocket and seemingly only come to collect their pay cheque.

 

No body cares about the fans they just say they do but in reality they don't give ****