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Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by Doc, Sep 14, 2014.

  1. Mr Wolves-White

    Mr Wolves-White Well-Known Member

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    Jock don't get me wrong I want us to win but I would like it with a British manager when a set of British players.
     
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  2. lr22

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    Martin "who is Falcao" O'Neil. I'm not saying your points are invalid just argumentative. We signed Noël Hunt because he was trusted? Did we not? So for every Torres there is a Michael Tonge.
     
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  3. Mr Wolves-White

    Mr Wolves-White Well-Known Member

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    Hunts a terrible signing I can't deny that. Would have preferred us to get Le Fondre. I think we should have signed Le Fondre when he was a Rotherham. I'm just pointing out on the Torres situation owners can sign crap players. I could have picked another 4 or 5 players but that was the first that comes mind
     
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  4. lr22

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    Yeah Torres was a bit special for Chelsea <cool> Completely agree with Fondre.
     
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  5. EIO

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    Could somebody tell me, in what other industry / profession are multi million companies with multi million pound budgets run by people who are financially illiterate, which I suggest is the case in 99% of football managers.

    Career progression is usually play football from the age of 8 or 9 moving into youth team then first team, retire from playing and get a coaching job in lower league moving on to managing a league club. All this is done, I would hazard a guess, to the exclusion of their studies.

    Why would anybody (owner/chairman) trust them to spend their money ???

    Most managers in industry would have to justify their proposed expenditure on plant or staff to a financial director at the very least, and the FD would run the rule over the proposals to see if they made financial sense........they most definitely would not say 'Go on Dave....buy what you think you need...don't mind if it is from one of your mates, who will make a slice of commission out of the deal..'.............. would never happen..so why in football ??

    Ah, I can hear you say..football is different......it is entertainment / sport...........so what !!!....clubs still have to pay their way and you still would not want an uneducated numpty in charge of the purse strings or dictating what the club should buy and when...

    The likes of Cellino have made their money by being shrewd........why would they change their methods ?
     
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  6. Josh-LUFC

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    Personally I don't think its as black and white as what people have suggested.

    In reality I don't get why say a "Cellino" wouldn't make the signings for example through a thorough scouting system but also at the same time ensuring the manager/coach is getting a player that he feels he could use in the team. Otherwise you can end up bringing in players the manager/coach doesn't want and has no intention of playing therefore waste of money OR they end up playing because they are pressured into being picked by the director or owner.

    I'm still on the fence whether Cellino's system will work or not. Think I'm more likely to decide next summer, if he goes mental and brings in another 6 or 7+ players then I will definitely say he is just an owner who is bored and doesn't know what to spend his money on.
     
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  7. Whitejock

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    The idea is that coaches are transient. If a coach can get good performances from a squad, and then it goes pear shaped, the thinking is that the players still have the same capability, it's the coach who's at fault for not teasing out the performances. A new coach should be able to rekindle the good performances. That's the thinking, and there's quite some logic to it. Consistent player purchasing instead of a rush of signings with each new coach is an added bonus. We'll see if it works.
     
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  8. Whitejock

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    Don't think it'll happen, Josh. Think he's anticipating a transfer embargo in January.
     
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  9. Josh-LUFC

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    Not really what i was getting at in truth.

    I meant if the manager/coach says we lack any quality in the centre of defence for example then Cellino can go and find an affordable decent centre back and then discuss with the manager so that he at least has some sort of input and says whether he likes him or not and can see him fitting in, no point in signing him if the manager thinks he isn't as good as what we already have. Because you have to also remember while a director would always have better financial knowledge, in theory the manager should have better football knowledge.

    It shouldn't be solely thhe manager's job and it shouldn't be solely the owner's job (or director's in other club's cases).
     
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