I think the media love taking the poss out of us and Cellino, yes messed up when he gave the unknown Hock a job, but he won't do it again will he? James Beattie has left Accrington Stanley by mutual consent, so the media put 2 and 2 together to make 17. I actually have a lot of time for Beattie because I met him a couple of times when he was with Everton. He put his own hand in his pocket at Stanley to pay wages etc, but he isn't even fully qualified and had to get an extension/exemption on his badges. When I last spoke to him he was a player on the slide at Everton, and I remember watching him only a year or 2 earlier when he was banging goals in for England, he was technically great, had pace and scored for fun. But something happened and he went backwards, which was probably David Moyes. My conversation with him was about Bates, and why players and the media were unaware about what Bates was doing. He just shrugged his shoulders and said players don't bother or think about that stuff, because they have families to feed. I thought are you for real mate, he really didn't give a fook and carried on drinking his bottle of beer. For me he summed up everything that was bad about English players. Too young, too rich too soon, and then stop trying because your minted. Massimo don't even go there please, but Brian Deane?
I've met James Beattie before (think he was at southampton at the time and ontop of his form), he thinks of himself as a proper joker thats all I can say
Beattie's a great guy. When Accrington played Portsmouth last season, they had to postpone the game with an hours notice. Beattie arranged that all travelling fans got free admission to the Southampton game 20 miles away. (at his own expense)
Don't think there's anything really wrong with his view on the Bates situation. What can footballers do? They're still people, like the rest of us. Put the same situation into an office context, would you call out your boss' activities and risk losing your job, your income and your family's financial security? That said, I don't really want him as manager, or coach. Nothing against him but I'd like us to go for somebody a little more qualified.
I have nothing against the lad and he would be better than Hockaday. All the coaching badges in the world couldn't help Hockaday with the pressures of coaching a team like Leeds. At least Beatie understands that pressure more playing for England an Southampton/Everton. That being said, I still don't really want him.
We really need to bury this "hire an inexperienced coach and watch him blossom into the next Mourinho" rubbish ... Cellino must stop trying to play God by "discovering" talented young "managers" and developing them, because the first problem is they will NEVER get three years to build a squad ... Cellino has to start understanding football in this country and in particular the Championship, we need a quality man in the dugout, so go and get Steve Clarke if he's available and let him do his thing to show you are serious about Leeds getting to the Prem ... this is not tiny Cagliari where mediocrity and survival is all that matters, so fire up the Ferrari and start motoring Interesting how on MotD last night Shearer, Lineker and Murphy were in agreement that the biggest difficulty that Pardew has had to deal with at Newcastle is that he has no say in who is bought or sold ... they said in no uncertain terms that it doesn't work in this country and it never will ... it seems these owners and "football directors" are getting a taste for playing Football Manager with their clubs, and because they hold the purse strings it's easy for them to tell everyone to fcuk off ... just saying Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
I disagree with some of your comments. I think we could find an inexperienced coach and build them up. However, I really want and have expressed this multiple times is Steve Clarke, he would be ideal. What does confuse me about your post though, is you also want Clarke. However, at WBA he didn't make the signings, he was simply the coach and all signings there go through a panel of people. Unfortunately, I think Clarke is waiting for the Fulham job. The majority of Premiership team managers don't sign the players or if they do they don't single out the players and they are recommended by a series of scouts. See Chelsea (minus Mourinho) Tottenham, Newcastle, WBA, just to name a few. The people who say it can't work are just old boys that don't want the change. It's not going to work every time - see Torres. But it certainly can.
I admire anyone who tries and breaks the English mould, because it creates over paid players and managers who DEMAND unlimited budgets. This creates upward movement of wages and contracts and means fans pay a high price in tickets and as we know to our cost, massive slides down the pecking order when it fails. We've witnessed a dozen years of high wages for less than mediocrity. We saw Grayson buckle under Bates and we couldn't believe that Warnock and McD turned out to be utter garbage failures. They were both proven managers and we were chuffed when we got them, but they couldn't turn around the tanker that's Leeds, because of the high wage bill and shyte in the squad. Cellino is doing his bit to clear the debts and clear out shyte players, but even he has no chance with some because they're on big money and nobody wants them, so they sit on their arses picking up wages. So to compare Cellino to that tosspot at Newcastle is wrong. Newcastle want to make a profit and they do every season, so great running of the club. They know where the money is and will do just enough to get mid-table and stay in the prem. That however isn't what the fans want but their owner doesn't give a fook. Our owner is trying to bring in good players at an affordable cost and wage we can afford, so he goes abroad. If his model works we get promoted and sees a big return on his investment. He will then try and go for Europe, but if this stage of his model fails we are back to square one, so he needs to get a coach. A coach who can use his head and change tactics when required. A coach with no favorites and a coach who knows how to win Championship matches because its the toughest, most intense league in the world. He has to invest with a good coach. Jose was a translator for Bobby Robson, not a coach but he watched Bobby. Jose's main job is being a man manager/motivator and thats why hes the best in the world. We want a top coach just under the surface and it could be Clarke, Houghton but not Beattie.
Hmmm .. okay think my post re player transactions a bit misunderstood ... I haven't said I disagree, just said three respected ex players say it doesn't work in England ... for me there is only one way this system fails, and that is the people in the boardroom keep buying and selling the wrong players, which means constant turnover of staff and therefore no building of a settled team ... this has been the problem for sure at Newcastle, and its hurting them ... I remember hearing an owner say the reason its best that THEY buy the players is so that when they sack the manager they're not stuck with rubbish he brought in (ooer Colin) ... Cellino seems to have good guidance from Salerno, our problem of course is can we get a quality coach in and keep him in charge for three years so the squad develops and settles rev, on the inexperienced coach point, there is no way we can go down ths route again ... Leeds United just doesn't have the time to babysit a newbie in the hope they come good ... every season we stay in the Championship we fall further and further behind clubs above us, just look at a small club like Stoke and who they can sign against what we can get ... every season we miss out on top young talent, we lose the opportunity to bank millions that we can use to build our own Academy centre or improve our ailing stadium, we lose young supporters who choose to rather follow a Prem club than their hometown/family club ... we need a quality coach in to get us promoted asap, this season preferrably ... Leeds United must rise up to the Prem and start rebuilding as a top club Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Beattie probably isn't the answer to our coaching problem but which manager/coach is going to take on the Leeds role in their right mind. Lawro said it a couple of weeks ago on Football Focus, Celino should come down and manage the club himself. Deane might be an interesting choice for Coach he's done well in Norway from what I understand. Going on to the experience argument. You can't just draft somebody who is a big name or somebody young because their cheap. If you look at Rogers and Clarke they served their time as Coaches and Assistant managers. Then Rogers clawed himself through the leagues to the position they're in same as Lambert. Going on to the Sporting Director thing. No it doesn't work in Britain especially with English coaches and managers. The British want to bring in their own players. Look at Keegan and Curbs walking out on their clubs cos they had directors. You don't get good British managers by signing player they don't know or want
Then lets get a good foreign manager? I hate all this to be honest, English football is ruined one minute because there overpaid pre-maddonas. Then the next minute we need an English manager so they can hire more overpaid pre-maddonas. All I want is for Leeds United to win, and if that means we hire Mohammed from my local shop to do it then that's all I care about. Look at Keegan and Curbs? Well would you swap the current situation for either of them to have full control of the club. I certainly wouldn't.
Did I say let's bring them in? No!! I was using them as an example on why the 'European' way doesn't work. Funny thing is I don't get this let's bring a foreign manager in. Why? So we can sign a load of players from the European leagues and stop producing good young English players. We had the worst world cup in half a century because of all these club with foreign coaches bringing foreign players. It's not good for the English game. Like you I want Leeds to win matches but I also want English talent to develop and for English clubs to produce players through the youth systems and not sell them down the leagues
No you didn't directly say you wanted them in charge, although you gave the impression you felt the Curbs/Keegan "system" was one to take note off. But why does it take an English manager to bring up English talent, it simply takes a good manager and where they are from is irrelevant. Cellino seems to quite enjoy young players and is doing a good job of it so far - we have Cooper/Byram/Cook/Mowatt all in the first team. Anyway, I am digressing, I still don't understand your original point of needing a English manager who controls everything? Should we re-sign Warnock or McDermott? Because I personally feel more confident of this system compared to theirs - even with the shakey start. I am not sure where your hatred of the "European" way comes from (whatever that really means other than the single track mind of the English way). In fact where does the English way work now? Let's have a look at the Premiership, how many of the owners are English and therefore adapting our traditional way: Burnley Crystal Palace Everton Newcastle (use a European method when it comes to signings) Stoke (I seriously ****ing doubt Mark Hughes convinced Bojan to join, but I don't know the specifics) Tottenham (use a European method when it comes to signings) WBA (use a European method when it comes to signings) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Other than Everton 1/20. Who should we be emulating?
I would rather have a manager who controls the squad because he knows what he's getting and he wants what he's getting.The idea of bringing in a person who chooses your players is a big **** You, I don't trust you to sign players, I'm going to bring in better. As for a British manager, I've already stated why I want a British person in charge. I don't want a club where we bring up kids from other youth systems and sign nothing but foreign players. Not when we can bring up local kids or British/Irish kids. I never wanted Warnock at the club. I can't stand the man and was glad when he walked. On McD how can you manage a club when you know the up coming owner wants you gone. To be honest I'd take those back over Dave ****ing Hockaday
Why can't a foreign manager bring in English players and help develop our young lads? Managers don't have all the control anymore, it's impossible. Imagine doing the old school **** of signing players / coaching the team / picking a formation. Well imagine that but in modern times with ridiculous paperwork? football agents, and well football agents? That is going to take so much time they can't fully coach the team or pick the players. Basically you want Martin O'Neil. And I would like to add he is a ****ing mug.
Firstly let's look at Spurs. Last season they spent 120 million on ****e. They got rid of a good manager and brought in ****e. Are you seriously saying we should emulate Spurs. Good old Red Nose picked his own player, Wenger picks his own players. Who else would spend £16 million on Wellbeck? You let owners and Directors bring in who they want you get Torres and Schevechenko. I do realize that we get Chief Execs to do contracts and signings. Coaches do the coaching. etc etc etc. To be honest I would take O'Neil over some coach from Italy's second tier that I have to google who done jack ****.
Hell, guys, I just want to win. I don't care who the manager is or where he comes from. A resurrected Genghis Khan? Sure, if he wins. He wants *****lian pensioners to play? Sure, if we win. I just don't bloody care! I'd even take Pullis & hoofball. Just as long as we win!
