And seeing end is threatening to head south that debt is moved south too.... It'd be unfair but seeing Cameron hasn't got his tanks on the border and all the scots guards weapons confiscated I don't see anything stopping them
Then there selfish ****s who will be seen as defaulters on debt making it impossible for them to borrow at the prices they would need to for success.b It isn't west minsters problem, plenty of the money went on them. It's the whole of the us problem and one ey will share in whether they like it or not. The credit ratings agencies have already said if Scotland walked away from the debt they'd get a ****ty rating.
Yes it would make sense as far as the electorate are concerned but it would give the politicians far less room to make grandiose claims. Plus if they agreed before hand then it's likely that nobody would want to vote in the first place!
Not to mention the fact we could just refuse to let them have independence if they don't take a share of the debt
How will they be debt free? The UK Treasury may be slow and cumbersome but it'll send the Scottish negotiators back with their tails between their legs on all of the other financial issues if they even dare to think that they can just walk away from their share of the National Debt! If they do renege on their debt commitments then the financial markets will have them for supper! Nobody is denying that they can go independent it's just that such a decision does not stack-up in financial or political terms. There's more chance of it becoming one major ****-up than there is of it being a roaring success - whiskey and all!!!
That simply won't happen As for the rest, I'm not sure how a weak economy like the one they'll be left with, will be able to offer long term lower taxation rates and be able to make themselves a more attractive proposition to business than their more prosperous neighbour. The Scots have far more to lose than we do, that's a total fallacy
I think they can swing it. They can tax the **** out of the workers and give the corporations 5% tax. In any event to think it's inpossible is just not plausible Just cos you are right in the short to medium term of 10 years I am sure by then the eu will have taken over and the Germans will run the place just like everywhere else
I mentioned this yesterday. The Act of Union was 400 years after Wallace and a huge amount of to-ing and fro-ing had gone on in the meantime. Queen Anne, the incumbent at the time, was a Stuart and held both crowns anyway. The Act of Union was just that. It wasn't an occupation of Scotland by the English, it was a voluntary Union entered into for the convenience and benefit of both sides. Through it, Scotland's poor, rural economy was given a huge boost by taking a share of the vast empire being built by the English at the time and the wealth being created by increased industrialisation. The talk of "freedom" is sentimental claptrap.
The Act of Union can equally be described as an Act of Desperation. Scotland's economy was not just tertiary based but mainly subsistence. As you say this "freedom" talk is purely sentimental propoganda.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5807358 Not just banks and industry planning on leaving Scotland. Nessie is jumping ship too.
[video=youtube;SKuNXIgAxBw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKuNXIgAxBw[/video] Not sure if i have done the link thing right but i thought this was funny....england fans in switzerland
Scotland will be better off, just by looking at small nations around the world, most of them are wealthy. Small government is key to a country's wealth, big government prevents wealth. The first few years will be tricky and it depends on the competence of Scotland's leaders. Plus Scotland can get back the 7 oil fields they lost when the maritime border was slyly changed behind the scenes on unification with Britain. Uk will be no different off really will it overall?
It is not just a matter of economics. Scotland may or may not ultimately be economically better off as a small independent country. With good management they may get on well economically. Howver, I cannot see the massive improvement promised by the nationalists. Ultimately I think all of us in the UK will be diminished by the breaking of Scotland from the country. Yes, it may only be the size of a big City - 5 million (only 10% of the Pop) but it will feel like a family of four being reduced to three. I hope they stay within the UK.
We have inflated outlooks on both sides, both for and against. It is better for Scotland by far to be independent. Better for the scottish public and as a nation. The BBC Cameron and many others have been doom mongering over this. The banks, corporate tax, even freaking ISIS being used as reasons to vote no You said it yourself, they would be more wealthy as an independent small country, that alone is enough of a reason. The early years will be difficult but after the initial transition and with good leadership, the lives of Scottish people will definitely improve as well as the nation as a whole. It's in their best interests to not be part of the UK. With independence they can reshape their nation, something England and Ireland could do with if you ask me though I suspect the same elitist system will remain in Scotland as it is everywhere else but it will still be a win if the country becomes more wealthy per capita, the place was stripped and left to rot in the UK union. Sekf determination is also a must. No more getting dragged into wars. Salmond destroys the BBC's active campaign to sway a no vote. [video=youtube;rHmLb-RIbrM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=rHmLb-RIbrM[/video]
That is pure s**te. They won't be better off either fiscally or in any way you care to mention by gaining independence, the only thing they'll gain is the satisfaction of ditching Westminster.
You say pure s**te and then you claim Scottish indeoendence is about sticking a finger in the eye of Westminster. Mate seriously, who's talking s**te really? That such an event is out of spite. Really, that's pretty weak, uninformative and totally useless. not that you even offer anything to show that what I say is pure s**te. neither of us is an expert of qualified to discuss this in any great detail, I offered my opinion, based on historical norms, not sure what you are basing yours on. people wanting to forge their own future, surely that's a good thing? Self determination? Surely you aren't against that? Mistakes will be made, successes had, but they get to make those choices. So does this mean they ditch the royals or what? Also, Scotland doesn't even need an army does it? Pretty much like Ireland has **** all use for a military
