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  1. afcftw

    afcftw Well-Known Member

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    It's a risk you won't take as the NO vote will win :p
     
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  2. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    I'm not so sure, it's going to the wire and if it's a No vote winning by less than 5% there will continue to be debate and a clamour for another referendum in 10 years.
     
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  3. Milk not bear jizz

    Milk not bear jizz Grasser-In-Chief

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    Why would 50% leave? Polls at best look about 50:50 for Scotland. So even if everyone left their bank because of political differences with their bank- that would be 50%... but there is a good chance that most people don't leave their bank and upset their own prosperity over a political issue.

    If I'm driving in town and someone cuts me off... I don't cut off my thumb and throw it at their car and laugh... "mahahahahaha- serves you right suckers- I cut off my thumb"



    This claim that RBS won't relocate to England is like all the other claims. Nonsense. It's the Euro, EU, Borders, Debt, etc, etc, etc issue all over again. You're ignore all the negative things that people in power and the know say WILL happen and just brush it off with... because... Yes.
     
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  4. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    I've already replied, I could post what I said again if you like?
     
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  5. The Mighty Thor

    The Mighty Thor Well-Known Member

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    For me it will be great whatever the outcome because as I've said I will love to see the look on Salmond's ugly mug if it's no and to see them fall flat on their faces if it's yes. 10 years or more of hell economically for the Scots, oh magic.
     
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  6. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    That's a well reasoned argument for Independence right there so well done you <ok>
     
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  7. afcftw

    afcftw Well-Known Member

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    It doesn't matter how close it is. This is the one and only referendum Scotland will get anytime soon. If it's a NO there will NOT be another referendum in ten years time. One a generation.
     
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  8. NSIS

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    Sir George really ought to know better than to talk out of his arse. There will be no currency union, it would be madness - potential financial suicide for the rest of the UK. I have posted this link before. It explains it better than I could.

    http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article47155.html

    Essentially, no country or central bank (The BOE in this case) is going to stand as lender of last resort to a country over whom they have no fiscal control, and receive no tax revenues. It would be absolute lunacy to do so. Without the BOE standing behind their pound, Scotland would quickly find itself in trouble. Credit rating of any borrowing would be very poor.

    The reason The Euro is worth the same in all member states is because the ECB stands behind all Euro currency, whichever member state it comes from. As we have seen recently, this was not exactly a very bright idea. As the ECB has no fiscal control over the individual member states, when they get themselves up **** creek and the paddle is on the bottom, the ECB has to pick up the tab. In Scotland's case, the BOE has refused to act as lender of last resort, and quite rightly too.
     
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  9. NSIS

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    You may well be right. I believe it's one reason many Scots will vote No. They may well believe, as you do, that they will get another chance to vote for independence if things don't work out. However, voting Yes this time would amount to a final decision, from which there will be no going back.
     
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  10. afcftw

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    They want get another chance a anytime soon. If it's a no then it's a no and there isn't a single uk party that would be pressured into another referendum anytime soon.
     
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  11. Spurf

    Spurf Thread Mover Forum Moderator

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    You hope <laugh>
     
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  12. NSIS

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    I think that may depend on how close the vote is. If the No margin is clear and substantial, it would obviously greatly reduce Salmond's credibility in pushing for another vote, in the short term anyway. If, however, the vote is close, he may well be in a far stronger position to push for a second ballot - not right now, but within a couple of years say.
     
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  13. afcftw

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    No they just won't. Why would you be given the chance to leave the uk, then your own people decide they don't want to. No government is going to pander to salmond after that. No chance.

    Referendums aren't handed out on a whim. And if Scotland don't get independence now they won't be given another chance in the near future. It'd be seen as bullying by a smaller proportion of the country trying to force through there own agenda against the will of the people.

    I'd bet my flat on the not being another referendum in the next ten years if it's a NO vote.
     
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  14. afcftw

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    If the vote doesn't go his way then it means the people didn't want it to. No government is going to pander to pressure of a position over the self determining right of the people which was given to them.

    If they choose to stay with the uk then why would we feel pressured into giving salmond another go at it?v
     
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  15. totsfan

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    If they do vote yes,who is going to be their president,or PM
     
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  16. Spurf

    Spurf Thread Mover Forum Moderator

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    Nobody repeat nobody EVER goes back from being Independent. Another nonsense from Better Together.

    Having seen very clearly how Westminster the BBC and the media are prepared to lie through their teeth to hang on to the spoils; Scotland will not forget. The UK in it's present form is a busted flush. The truth has been circulated around Scotland so much that even No campaigners have accepted most of the case for YES. They are just left with their Imperial History and their Union Jack.

    Then there are their currency and business scares and these will not work either; Scotland has informed itself. We now have the most informed electorate in the UK. Business for Scotland is growing rapidly look back at my posts of a week ago and we had 2200 members this week it is 2650 and climbing. These are all businesses, not employees, all of whom have informed themselves and back YES because it is overwhelmingly clear what a dynamic place an Independent Scotland will be for their future prosperity.

    Take your scares, we know the money men live off scares, that's exactly what they are doing now we don't buy it. Far too late in the day.

    Vote YES for a brighter future and banish the austerity of the clapped out has been, formerly known as the UK.
     
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  17. Spurf

    Spurf Thread Mover Forum Moderator

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    Elections in 2016
     
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  18. totsfan

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    In the meantime, Salmond?
     
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  19. Spurf

    Spurf Thread Mover Forum Moderator

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    Tots where have you been <laugh>

    Yes Salmond is the First Minister (That is the Scottish equivelant of Prime Minister). Following a YES vote would be a two year transition period which would include Scots from all parties. Negotiations would take place with rUK to split former assets and liabilities. During this time the Scottish partys would need to publish their manifesto's for the election to be held in 2016.
     
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  20. NSIS

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    All very noble thoughts. However, these are not scares. They are realities. The BOE simply will not act as lender of last resort - i.e. Guarantor to a Scotland that is independent, And over whom they have no fiscal control. It would essentially mean that a newly independent Scotland could go on a spending and borrowing binge, and leave the UK taxpayer to pick up the bill. It ain't going to happen
     
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