Black and Amber Till I Die

I wore my "Say No to the Tigers" badge with pride and entered into heated debates with anyone who was stupid enough to listen to my views about the "evils" of Mr Allam's proposed name change. I was as relieved as many others when the "No" announcement was made on the 9th April.

Back then, both sides presented reasonable and responsible arguements to further their views and, even in the most hotly contested discussions, there was always respect and decorum.

However, there has been a distinct sea change in how the debate is now being contested. Anyone who dares even to consider any "pro change" views is attacked with the utmost venom. Such people are latelled as "not true supporters". The impression I get is that a "true supporter"is one who agrees that Assem Allam is a fat buffooon, a c**t, an old bastard, drunk, mad, a loony, f**king evil etc. These are just a few names levelled at him in this forum.

Occasinally, someone tries to explore the relative merits and demerits of the name change. They are then promptly howled down and their thoughts are probably not even read in full. I read someone who said that the only true supporter is a "City till we die" supporter. I guess that means that the overwhelming majority of us are not true supporters in that case.

The majority of people who go to matches simply want to see a football match; luckily, we are privileged to be able to watch Premier League football. That has largely been made possible by the aforementioned "f**king evil fat old buffoon". He hired a good manager and gave him the chance to build the best team Hull has seen. For that he deserves our thanks and reapect.

His price for this was - he wanted to change the name to earn a greater international following. Yes, he would have benefitted but the football team would have benefitted too. The man had ambition for "our" team.

As I said, prior to 9th April, I appreciated very little of this. I was as blinkered as many others. I won't say I am a 100% convert to the view but now I am more open. Instead of villifying the whole idea, I am prepared to take a balanced view. Besides, if we look at some of the other chairmen around, I prefer the Devil I know!

Black and Amber Till I Die!!!

 

You are surely on a wind up with that post

 

The Premier League is all that matters.

 

It's down to integrity at the end of the day.

Do you want success for the club you support or do you want success?

Hull City is "our club" that's been around for 110 years providing ups and downs for generations and a constant link between them.

Hull Tigers would be a mangled, bastardised corporate entity built on the sand of "success". If Hull City hits a lull you can be damn sure the passion and will to succeed again will be there, if Hull Tigers takes a backwards step it'll fall apart at it's flimsy seams. Do you think Cardiff fans still think those red shirts are a good idea? Or do you think they feel a bit foolish selling out their history for a season in the Premiership?

Hull City has the ability to be around for another 110 years, though the reality is they'll be relegated before they ever come close to winning it. Hull Tigers would also face a similar fate, and at the end of the day, the only thing that looks dafter than Hull Tigers in the Premiership is Hull Tigers away at Middlesbrough on a Tuesday night in the Championship.

 

That integrity had this same board coming in their pants about a Russian oligarch buying us. Hmmm

 

Whilst the name change was a solid idea when first mooted. It soon fell apart.

Name change to produce a global image, yes Assem Allam is right. Re branding sometimes works and the tiger is a strong brand. But it has its faults as well and no matter which way it is dressed up this is not actually about changing the name.

This whole issue is about the right of owners to do what they wish with a football club.

Oddly, government now looks towards community as important and heritage is seen as a major part of community. This is now something that modern government considers to be more important than the needs of commerce. Reforms are on the way. A group of club owners want to derail the plans to enforce the recommendations of the government consultation into football. Assem Allam is part of that group as is Vincent Tan.

The movement towards community is part of a political plan to reduce the costs of local and national government, by giving communities responsibilities for services and infrastructure. The KC is an un adopted community asset. It cannot be sold or given away, unless it is part of a community based project. Assem Allam courted the supporters reps, in order to move forward the gifting of the KC, to fund further development, which in turn he could sell to generate a repayment of his investment.

The difficulty is that he would still have needed to be fully in control and this is not possible if you have supporters on the board of the club.

So here's the problem. He needs to be in control, it is his money. But how can he demonstrate that he is in control if he cannot change the playing name. He mentions the logo, he mentions the clubs colours and says he will not change them. All that is said in order to re enforce his point about control. So if the council sold or gave the KC away, Assem Allam would not want supporters involved, what do they know, nothing, they have not made millions like he has.

This whole mess is about ego and power. His standing in the world of football club owners and businessmen.
If it was not the name of the club, it would be something else.

 

Are you suggesting it should be any different?

The wums had their year of fun last season, no one can be arsed with all that kerfuffle again for another minute never mind the weeks/months/years? until this bollocks finally comes to a conclusion.

No one actually wants Hull Tigers, no one thinks it should happen, because no one can think of a single reason why. It's just people acting like ****s so they should be rightly treated like ****s in return.

They should be banned really.

 

The original post is quite a good read, but it's really wasted on a CTWD forum

 

Those that say "premier league is all that matters" why not go support a club that has no chance of getting relegated, a Man City or Arsenal. I feel you are selling your soul and that of the club for premier league football.

I also think Allam trying to change the name has nothing to do with any of the reasons given and is all to do with wanting to leave his name imbedded in history not just in the history of our football club but in the history of football.

 

The reason those opposed to the name change are so venomous in attacking the pro changers is this. Since the very begining they were asked to show a good reason for the change, any reason anything. There arn't any, no shirt sales in Asia, no bigger sponsor no extra supporters. For a year this has been debated and nothing has been presented by anyone to show why changing the name is a good thing. So now rather than constructing a reasonable response it easier to say **** off WUM.
All we have achieved in the past year was as Hull City, would it of been even better as Hull Tigers ? you tell me.

 

Can't it be more CTWD?

 

Sigh. Another one of these posts.

 

What do you think about my proposal to outlaw pro allamist militants?

 

The battle lines are drawn again. I had hoped that this season we would of been just getting behind the team and with the new signings reaching a top ten placing, but no our deluded owner has re-ignited the name-change again. As I understand it CTWD was about to disband and merge with the Tiger Trust but now it will have to battle the owner for another season. Lets just hope all you that sat on the fence last season pick your side this otherwise it will continue season after season. Anyone who thinks Papa Doc will give the club away if the appeal fails and no one buys it are as deluded as our owner.

 

I must have missed that happening.

 

It will be if Mr Allam does another presser anytime soon.

 

So you want freedom of speech but want to deny someone else theirs? Nice. Ever thought of a career in politics.

 

Freedom of speech has rules and preaching hatred on majority groups is not in those rules.