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OT: Do you think Scotland Independence is good for United kingdom?.

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Good for Scottland to leave the Union?

Poll closed Sep 29, 2014.
  1. Yes

    10 vote(s)
    21.3%
  2. No

    37 vote(s)
    78.7%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. Tobes

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    Billionaires buy their favours, old money merely 'have a word'.....
     
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  2. Tobes

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    People are far better informed these days. In the age of the internet and 24 hr news and media, people can easily find the information with which to make an informed personal decision. It's not like it was 30 or 40 years ago, when we 'did as our Dad's did'
     
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  3. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    I'm not posting this because I agree or disagree with it, it's not representative of anything, it's just funny -

    [video=youtube;pmGjiokfQ2A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmGjiokfQ2A[/video]
     
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  4. Foredeckdave

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    And you'll find the mirror image of that if you train a camera on equivalent Celtic fans - let's not forget that!
     
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  5. johnsonsbaby

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    You're probably right mate. I thought it was funny how he said at the end 'first stop England, no don't go to England it's full of immigrants, go to Wales' - hilarious.
     
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  6. Foredeckdave

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    Billionaires are no different today than they ever were in this country. They want to be seen as pillars of the establishment and respected as such. Those Satchi bothers were so "common" until the Tories knighted them and now they are the doyens of the cultural elite. It's not a new story, the majority of successful businessmen during the Industrial Revolution used their wealth to remove themselves to the country and buy an estate and a title and become respectable!
     
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  7. johnsonsbaby

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    Wasn't Alan Hansen getting stick from Scottish football fans for backing the no vote?
     
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  8. Milk not bear jizz

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    So talking about Braveheart.
    If Scotland gains independence, does that me we English no longer can screw any Scottish girl on her wedding night before the groom gets a turn?
     
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  9. Tobes

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    All of which is true, but my point was really about how this country is still extremely highly influenced by the atristocracy and the old school tie.

    I saw a stat the other day that 71% of High court judges went to public school. We're still living in a society in which the elite protect the status quo, by keeping the roles that matter for 'their own'.

    Funnily enough there's was a great example of the elite class rallying to protect the current balance only this week, around this very issue.

    The Royals breaking with centuries of precedent in leaking the news of the future King's Royal baby, before the 12 week embargo date. Notably the day after the news of the latest poll that put the Yes vote ahead in Scotland came out. Two days later the leaders of the 3 main parties have been dispatched en masse to convince the sweaties that they'd be making a mistake. Co-incidence? errrm no.
     
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  10. saintanton

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    What is all this "Braveheart" bollocks anyway? William Wallace lived (and died horribly) about 400 years before the Act of Union.
    And, incidentally, the Union was a tremendous boost for Scotland, modernising it considerably from a poor, rural economy and significantly increasing its wealth.

    A process which, imo, the SNP will put into a steady reverse.
     
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  11. Master Yoda

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    I can relate to the legal issue right now - there really are glass ceilings everywhere.

    First is tuition fees + living expenses for your chosen university.

    For NI if I practice over here I then have to register for an exam (£260), get my degree then register with the Law Society (another payment). To register you need a 'master'.

    Once in the tuition fee is £8000. You aren't allowed a source of income during this time.

    Unfortunately this is unlikely to change. And in Scotland the 'elite' won't disappear - it'll just reform.
     
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  12. Foredeckdave

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    Look at a typical Industrialist story in the UK and Germany. William Lever and his brother founded the soap manufacturers Lever Bros in Warrington but the moved the whole operation to Port Sunlight where he built a model village for his workers. The business was successful and grew to be Unilever - one of the first truly international companies. However, Lever bought himself an estate away from business and the title Viscount Leverhulme.

    Friedrich started his steel making business in Essen in 1810. His son Alfred (later known as the Cannon King) grew the firm into one of the largest manufacturing companies in the world. Alfred built similar facilities for his workers to William Lever. However, he built his main residence in the centre of his industrial facilities so that he could keep in touch with all of the activities.

    The class system is still too engrained in our society.
     
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  13. Milk not bear jizz

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    Because what a Welsh man did in Scotland many hundreds of years ago is relevant to today! <laugh>

    It's funny though- here in America they think Braveheart is based on history they don't realise it is 99% fiction using a couple of real peoples names (some of whom weren't alive at the same time).
     
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  14. johnsonsbaby

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    BBC did this a while ago, a class survey - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-22000973

    The thing about the Royals breaking the precedent and releasing baby news before 12 weeks, was done in 2012 for the same reasons as this time, extreme morning sickness meaning Kate had to cancel public appearances. When she was expecting the last baby, the announcement was rushed even quicker so no story there if that's what the Scots are saying.
     
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  15. Tobes

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    That was only done because she was admitted to hopsital and therefore there was intense press speculation as to the reason.

    She's not been in hospital this time round she's at home.
     
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  16. afcftw

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    Both babies have been announced early both due to Kate being ill, both times questions where raised due to her situation, firstly due to being in hospital and this time due to missing public appearances. Seems pretty normal that she has had similar difficulties when pregnant both times.

    William seemed genuinely concerned for her when interviewed about it.

    Think your pulling a sisu and going all lizards are taking over the world with this particular point :p
     
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  17. Milk not bear jizz

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    The royal family are all lizard men.
     
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    No live young, then. It's all faked- she just fell off the egg.
     
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  19. Jeremy Hillary Boob

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    Here in York, apparently, there is an unrepealed law that you can shoot a Scotsman within the city walls after the hours of darkness, but with a bow and arrow only. Slurguson never did answer any of my invitations to come across for an evening....
     
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  20. Germlands Nozzer

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    If they do vote yes, are we going to get David Hasselhoff singing on Hadrian's Wall?
     
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