probably for the same reason everyone, well most, say or think the torries are ****s, but don't look that way regarding voting.
Because when push comes to shove the fear of the unknown and the uncharted waters of full independence, carries unecessary risk with very little to counter balance it in terms of tangible potential benefits. It's akin to when Labour under Kinnock were way ahead in the Polls in '92, but when stood in the voting booths the Tories that they needed to switch couldn't face it, and the fear of change saw the worst Govt in modern British history somehow re-elected.
The things that were truly relevant in the 17th century were power and money and both are as relevant now as they were then.
ture but the foks with the power have changed.... sort of. they are no longer landowners but business owners.
I totally agree. there is the "mob" and the "individual" and when the individual walks into that voting booth they won't have salmon or anyoen else sitting on their shoulder and I think more yes votes will change than no votes. also i do honestly feel a lot of voters, more on yes side can be exercised right up until voting day and while they say one thing when asked actually physically going to a polling booth doesn't happen... or other words they just don't bother. I think no voters or voters for status quo usually turn out more than voters for change... for the exact reason tobes outlines...
That's assuming the yes voters are voting based on logic. It's not about logic or no one would vote yes. It's about emotions for the yes campaign. The No campaign has logic down pat. Yes, has the emotions of the Scots.
It's not the folks themselves who matter MITO or what their wealth is based upon. The real issue is the link between money and power. Pareto identified the 80/20 rule. Nowdays less than 10% of the population control the national wealth. It truly is a recipe for disaster. Yet Essex Man still bangs on about his 'career' as roadsweeper and how he is far better-off without those nasty unions!!
logic? hmmmmm. I think honeslty when the pen comes out emotion can usually top logic but it still takes a leap into said unknown and there can be contrasting emotions. There is a reason why the no side are giving every possible reason to fear... as pride and nationalism is one emotion but fear is the one emotion that can over ride the others. fear is a great tool used by despots and democrats alike.
Emotion goes out of the window when you have to make a decision that could put you permanently in the **** purely upon the wish list of a politician with no guarantees.
i agree what i mean is owning land in the 17th century determined what wealth was based on. in the industrial revolution the new money rose and got looked down on. yes pareto but i'd argue the haves always vastly outweighed the have nots. right now the issue is you have global unfairness leading to local unfairness so a social utopia has to solve the world not just uk. cos the bartards at the top move their money away if a government dares to try and create proper social infrastructure. they are happy for workers to pay their tax but don't want to pay it themselves... look at the us where the most business friendly, most soically uneven state has companies trying to buy over here to become non us to avoid tax.
If you're saying that 1 camp is based in logic and the other based solely on emotion, then you'd hope that the Nation in question has more logical thinkers than Braveheart flag wavers..........and it does...
i'd add... for some. yes for some its all emotion and they can't wait and will vote yes no matter what for some on the no they are the same for the middle I feel fear is the emotion.
I'm not saying you're wrong but I think you give voters credit for having thought it through. When I was voting for whether or not we should join the EEC, as it was then, I asked my Dad what he was voting and did similar mostly because he was somewhat entrenched in politics and knew much better than me the pros and cons as far as it affected us. I'm guessing most voters in this had their minds set when it was first mooted and that's how they'll vote.
you think lord snootyface pulls more strings than say the billionaires who own industry.... or are they the same people. I think the guy with moeny to brib..sorry LOBBY politicians are the guys with power.
you are right there and i've regularly been asked by family which way to vote. that does happen too. I do feel they are also peopel who need to be more exercised to vote.
