No currency union does NOT automatically mean no share of UK debt. That may be the SNP view, but it is a long way from agreed.
Agreed. Localised power is the only way our country is going to stick together, tensions between North/South/West can no longer be brushed under the carpet. Set up an English Parliament in Birmingham to encourage growth in the regions, keep Westminster for UK wide affairs.
"No currency union does NOT automatically mean no share of UK debt." The suggestion that without currency union that an independent Scotland will not assume share of the UK national debt (a fair amount of which was clocked up by the Scotch banks) is ... scaremongering.
You're entitled to a serious opinion. All I've heard from you so far are jibes and insults. In other matters, this should tell people all they need to,know about Salmond and his attitudes. Yes, great idea. Deliberately default on your debt. That is always encouraging sign to the worlds's lenders and Capital Mkts. If Salmond has his way, Scotland should end up with a credit rating like Argentina's http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...re-they-going-to-do--invade-joke-9723997.html
Jibes and insults? I started in that vein because you are talking garbage from a position of ignorance, (Or Spain) you started off by saying that the Yes campaign is Quasi Socialist Utopia, based upon nothing but some random jpeg that could have been produced anywhere. I asked which parts of it are Quasi Socialist and you have ignored the question because you realise you were talking guff. I treat people as they deserve to be treated so when clowns like you are spouting tosh I tell them. Now tell me if you please, what is Quasi Socialist about what the Scottish Government have stated in the White Paper which they produced? I take it you've read it all? http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2013/11/9348/0
I have said nothing of the sort, do not misrepresent my words. The fact that you are incapable of differentiating between Westminster government and England shows all we need to know about your ignorance on the matter. You are splitting up my country comes the cry. Showing again the mindset of people unable to think for themselves, of people who swallow the lies and half truths that have spewed out of Westminster. No country is being split up here; if Scotland wins the vote it will at last be able to express it's democratic right as a country. It will be free to enagage with the rest of the world on it's own terms and develop it's own political direction. It will do all this as part of the British Isles and along side it's closest friends England, Wales, N. Ireland & Ireland.
What are financial services? These are services that depend on people with developed skills. The major resource of this industry is the skills of those people. Stadard LIfe employs thousands of such people in Scotland that has developed over many years. If you think it can just up sticks and move 500 miles than you know little about this business. This is the same Standard Life that threatened the same moves before devolution then as now it will look after it's own interests and stay in Scotland.
Let's keep the personal abuse out of it please. If the posters who I deleted would like to put their points again minus the personal abuse that will be welcome. I do not like deleting anything on this thread because it can look political but we have managed to discuss this topic where feelings run very high without attacks on each other so we need to keep that ethic. Thanks.
My apologies, Spurf. But, as you can see, I didn't start it. In fact I resisted getting personal for long enough.
You don't have to apologise to me NSIS but thanks for the understanding. Ithink we all appreciate the the Spurs board as a bit of a special place where we can all express our views and disagree or agree without getting abusive. As I said this subject is extremely emotional whatever side of the argument you are on so we need to take care that we dont spoil our Spurs board in the process. Thanks to everyone for using your restraint.
"The banks just might have put the kibosh on the "yes" vote. To transfer parts of their businesses to England because of uncertainties about an independent Scotland's policies on membership of the EU, currency, tax, pensions, savings, financial services and consumer protection legislation etc is hardly a ringing endorsememt and will have many ordinary Scots very worried about their own personal financial interests." Isn't the plan to legally transfer the appropriate assets etc so they come under the jurisdiction of UK(minus) law ?? Then the markets know what % of such companies' business (debts etc) are solely at the mercy of the economic policies of an independent Scotland. AFAIK, UK business for these companies seems to closely match the UK GDP/demographic spilts (90% in UKminus, 10% in Scotland) .
DevAdvocate, do you really think 700 responses on this thread represents the whole of England because it doesn't? You Scots are obsessed with England, we are not obsessed with you. In that respect we don't care nor do we care whether you get independence or not. I care about England and not Scotland like the vast majority of English people. The Scots traditionally look on the English as enemies and I'm sure Spurf is looked on as a quaint little English turncoat and is laughed at secretly by the Scots because he's supporting independence. I'm only on this thread to provoke responses NOT because I care,ok DevAdvocate.
I think the point ,RDBD, is that many ordinary Scots will get the jitters over their personal finances because of the economic/financial uncertainty and might be persuaded to vote "no" rather than risk the unknown after a "yes" vote. We've seen economic troubles in European countries leading to government's even seizing a % of savings to prop up the economy. They may feel it's better the devil you know when the banks show a lot of confidence.
Not sure where you get your view of Scots, but I cannot believe you have it right. If the English don't care about the Scots, why are the leaders of all the parties up there, why is the media in England full of the referendum. I hope the Scots say No, the idea of breaking the Union is terrible. If I were Scots, I would definitely vote Yes, absolute no brainer for me that you have your own government, rather than one foistered on them by the English. The referendum is a huge fork in the road for this country and if we don't care about it, I would find that strange.
I feel like it's splitting my country apart and it has nothing to do with not being able to think for myself. It has everything to do with having an identity rooted in being British, a combination of Scottish and English that I identify myself with. And am proud to be British, proud that both my nations are joined as one. I think it's completely unfair to dismiss these identity issues as people not being able to think for themselves.
Is it an independent planet Spurf? Luke, what are the yes men's arguments about the financial situation ie high taxes after independence?
I agree I think it's ridiculous to suggest England doesn't care, of course it does! This will have an effect on the whole country not just the scots.
