It's why I genuinely get a Scottish Independence movement starting with the premise, "The Westminster experiment has failed, it doesn't represent anyone in the UK other than big business and the few that own them that actually still live here." That's pretty much true. It's the fact that the SNP's only build on that starting point seems to be- "we'll do a better job" Again that may well be true, but surely as a voter when everything from your home to health to income depends on the detail behind that answer you would demand more than a simple repeated protest and a promise?
What's the answer then guys? How do we create a new Labour movement that suits and can be recognised by today's workers? This "Labour" party has been dead on its feet since the Tory with a gambling addiction that was Tony Blair. But I believe half his attraction was he looked at least on face value like he represented the modern workforce rather than one decimated to almost extinction. I hear a lot of young working class people regurgitate the anti Tory line and talk about workers unite but it sounds exactly that. Repeating their parents sayings without identifying their own lives to it. In fact its started to sound decidedly defeatist and lazy: it's all the Tories fault I am where I am....and.........and what? A sizable portion of today's workforce work in service industries, be they shops or call centres etc etc not shipyards or factories...they have been tricked into believing, particularly in the private sector that unions are for blue-collar only...that they dont represent them and in some cases that's actually true. As a local govt man myself I've experienced this first hand with a couple of unions before the one I'm with, they still concentrated in language and focus on the sweeper who cleaned the office rather than the junior office worker yet both were on the same rubbish pay grade. Nothing wrong in representing both just clarify you actually are. If the answer isn't the unions as they exist, how do you galvanize ordinary people to come together and demand representation from within rather than some jumped up little twats spoonfed socialism at their daddy's knee then when straight from college to politicians aide to politician?
If the vote is NO......this may happen. Scottish Independence: John Prescott Suggests Merging England And Scotland Football Teams http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...cotland-football_n_5795964.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
If the vote in Scotland is a No vote, do England, Wales & NI get to vote if we still want them ? *tongue in cheek
So much hate for the Tories. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of the Tories or either of the other big two. I think there all self serving elitist out of touch bastards! But under this government the economy is recovering and at a quicker rate than any other European country. On top of that I pay less on energy bills and take home more of my wage after tax, so on an individual basis I'm better off currently than I was under the last government. I'm not saying the Tories have the answers and I don't vote for them, but this "grr we hate the blues" stuff always seems to totally ignore any positives. A bit like the YES campaign People need to get over the past and look at what actually benefits us now, unfortunately that's not how people vote.
fair enough if they are responsible for that i suppose, are they i don't know? or would the country have gotten back on its feet eventually any way with or without torries? they just happened to be in the right place at the right time, ie it was labour that got the olympics etc wasn't it? (depends on your interpretation of that as well i suppose, probably great in london), and who knows it could have got back quicker if they didn't interfere any way.
i just want to say that in my opinion the uk has only one reason to be recovering faster than europe. that reason is europe is a total an utter basket case where nobody but der germans get a vote and der germans are so apparently scarred by post wwi inflation levels that led to the rise of fascism that they seem to be happy to have interest rates of 0.05% rather than print money. frankly the us printed more than they did in the previous 100 years and are still at it, trillions.... result? dollar falls, debts lessen as they are in effect more affordable and everyone gets on with it. in europe? no credit, no money to spend, austerity, rising debts an more austerity. I think ANY uk government would have done more or less the same. cuts, print money, put money in people's pockets
We seem to be getting that desperate now, what with last minute devo-max offers and the three knobheads ditching Question Time to be there, that it's time for our last gambit. Play the nine of diamonds.
i used to enjoy question time, don't seem to care for it lately. fed up with politics altogether, we all know deep down they are all in it for themselves, ****s!
So when do the less left-leaning regions of Scotland get their referendum to leave Scotland? That's what it is really all about isn't it- making sure that the Tories can never again rule over Scotland!
Everyone except Scotland should have a referendum to leave the United Kingdom and start UK 2.0 Scotland doesn't get to vote. UK 2.0 leaves the union, takes the £ with them- but leaves all the debt with Scotland. (we're a new country remember- Scotland is the old UK in this scenario). We can extend the vote to 5 year olds- because as SNP discovered kids tend to be more easily persuaded to do things which don't make sense. 16 not young enough- 5 year olds need the right to vote!
