Scotland has been part of United Kindom for a very long time. On the 18th of September people in Scottland are having the right to vote yes or no. Should Scotland be Independent State? Vote Yes or No
Good for them - ****'s us up. I have my repayment mortgage with BOS, and I've been saving in an additional pension scheme to pay it off. I think I may be doubly screwed. But good luck to the Jock's - they get out of the Anglo-American economic liberal, laissez faire model, ANd they ensure they never have to suffer the Tories again so that the rest of the country suffers as the ****ing gravitational massive black hole of the Home Counties sucks most of the disposable wealth from the rest of the country in totally unsustainable and unrealistic house prices. I wish them well. I'll still want to kick that little ***got Alan Cummings' face in when i get evicted though, and face the rest of my life under Tory rule and the zero-hours contracts, privatisation of the NHS and complete erosion of the welfare state as i grow older and need it more.
I think the scts will bascially run scared when the ballot is put in front of them 51% might say (or the don't knows are interpretted deliberately to scare out the yes vote on polling day) but the reality is lots say yeah then don't bother vote and some turn up and say... god really and end up voting no. I fancy this is not going to get carried. in the end they will end up another basket case on the periphory of europe begging for cash of germany and the next thing it'll be wales and NI too... england keeps all the cash and all the jobs i reckon. I would say f it... the true result will be as you were with some change to regional powers... Donga... you could always move to scotland sems like they would suit you down to the ground in the end.
^ This. When it comes down to it they'll bottle it, just like the South East did in '92, when they realised they were on the cusp of voting in a ginger Welshman as PM.
yes the war criminal tory lite Blair suited them much more. I know its a big deal and al lthat and they need to "debate" a lot but F me its bloody drawn out and they need to stop acting like the unionised go slow ****es they are and vote
The Nationalist campaign is little more than Braveheart rhetoric backed up with "we'll see what happens and we've not really thought about that yet"
I fear you're right. I think a patriotic sentimentality is driving this movement more than any clear, practical vision of a devolved future.
The YES campaign is building a utopian vision of Scotland where it is one of the most successful countries in the world, with perfect public services run by regular people. That's far from the reality that they will end up with if they go independent.
As with all big independence drives throughout the 20th Century, Scotland will still be heavily reliant on those they seek independence from. Financial, political, infrastructure will still be responsible to the UK for a long bleed time. If they attempt to shrug off their portion of debt but try to claim sovereignty over the regions' natural resources, I don't see how that can be good for the UK at all.
They can't walk away from the debt, if they did they'd be given the worst credit rating in the world and crumble as a nation. And the infrastructure used to get those resources was paid for by the uk tax payer, not the Scottish tax payer, it's not there's to take.
Currency - errrmm no idea really EU membership - errrmmm I reckon we might Scotlands budget deficit and how they'll fund it - errrrmmm yes, errrmmmm, it'll be right. They'd be barking to leave the sanctuary of the Union for pointless independence that would bring no real tangible benefits to the average man and carries massive economic risk. They're not that daft, that they don't realise that either - hence the No vote will out and they'll spend the next God knows how many years whining about their missed 'opportunity'
Given the large split in the vote, whatever the outcome it's going to create real rifts amongst the Scottish population.
I don't think yes will win but I don't think it matters for two reasons.1) It'll be close enough that it won't make Salmond disappear under a rock. 2)Osbourne caved and has announced independence in all but name by saying he's giving them tax and welfare powers. I assume at some point down the line, the same will be given to Wales and NI too. (For us it will be a good thing to force SF hand. At the mo they are refusing to implement welfare reform and the DUP response has been "then nothing else gets done" while our annual Westminster Grant keeps getting cut and no ****ing planning happens!) So eventually a federal UK. Which I predicted as soon as devolution started. If done right (unlikely) then tax and benefit levels etc might more accurately reflect regional needs. The north of England may be screwed under that set up unless it's set up as its own region with assembley and similar powers. In the event of Yes win, it'll all be very interesting. I bet the Lib Dems will suddenly want electoral boundary reform after all lol. And how long will a Tory dominant England/Wales stay in the EU? What do NI unionists founded from Scots heritage and religion cling to when that heritage has chosen to stop bring British?
