1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

Scottish Independence and other political topics.

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Boss, Aug 12, 2014.

  1. NSIS

    NSIS Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2011
    Messages:
    36,067
    Likes Received:
    14,555
    It's also bollocks. History will tell you that Edward and his army did indeed go homewards "tae think again" after he had thought again, he came back and dealt with Wallace and his army.

    It's all ties in with this romantic dream that some of the Yes people seem to have of a quasi-socialist collective that will decide what is best for this new Scottish utopia. I honestly believe that their utopia will very quickly turn to dystopia.
     
    #661
  2. SpursDisciple

    SpursDisciple Booking: Mod abuse - overturned on appeal
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2011
    Messages:
    30,117
    Likes Received:
    16,885
    Wallace was defeated by Edward 1 but escaped and was only captured due to Scottish Lords turning him in. The faults with film go way beyond that. For example Edward outlived him by a few years and Wallace didn't have an affair with Edward 11's wife, given she was about 10 years old by the time he died.

    It's no wonder Wallace was defeated, it would be like Cuba going toe to toe with USA
     
    #662
  3. The Mighty Thor

    The Mighty Thor Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2011
    Messages:
    5,683
    Likes Received:
    35
    51% for,49% against independence.
     
    #663
  4. afcftw

    afcftw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2011
    Messages:
    16,635
    Likes Received:
    3,931
    If that's your major reason then maybe you should put your energy into promoting a fairer voting system, reform of the current institution etc... Rather than deciding the only answer is to tear apart the uk.
     
    #664
  5. afcftw

    afcftw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2011
    Messages:
    16,635
    Likes Received:
    3,931
    Interestingly a load of large companies with big interests in Scotland have lost value on the stock market as soon as it looks like YES may be a possibility.

    Standard life and BT both saying YES would cause them major problems.

    From a business point of view it seems people do not agree with the YES people and think there will be big negative impacts.
     
    #665
  6. Spurf

    Spurf Thread Mover
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    25,214
    Likes Received:
    15,377
    I am working with Business for Scotland which is a group of 2200 Scottish businesses all working for Independence.

    Just to put that in perspective the CBI has 100 members in Scotland. http://www.businessforscotland.co.uk/

    Standard Life said they would leave before devolution and they stayed and grew.

    A number of Scottish banks have written to their employees to reassure them that they will still be here after a YES vote. This has not made the news.

    Business is interested in profit the world spotlight is on Scotland, if we vote YES we expect an explosion of interest and a huge bonus for Scottish business.
     
    #666
  7. Spurf

    Spurf Thread Mover
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    25,214
    Likes Received:
    15,377
    Markets don't like uncertainty, Westminster has caused this by not allowing negotiations on the pound before the vote. They are regretting now how they handled this campaign but now is far too late.
     
    #667
  8. Spurf

    Spurf Thread Mover
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    25,214
    Likes Received:
    15,377
    Removed!
     
    #668
  9. Spurf

    Spurf Thread Mover
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    25,214
    Likes Received:
    15,377
    Do you not remember what happened when the Liberals sold out to join the coalition?
     
    #669
  10. Wandering Yid

    Wandering Yid Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2011
    Messages:
    5,013
    Likes Received:
    294
    Is the House of Lords really such an undemocratic institution?

    Only 92 of the 800 or so peers are now hereditary, and this is a number which is sure to decrease as further reform is brought in. Change takes time. The rest of the membership are people who have worked in the real world, excelled and become experts in their fields, and now wish to offer their expertise to the benefit of the country. They are far more qualified to lead than many career politicians, who have never worked outside the narrow corridors of Westminster.

    No they are not democratically elected in the strictest sense, but they are appointed by democratically elected MPs.
     
    #670

  11. Spurf

    Spurf Thread Mover
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    25,214
    Likes Received:
    15,377
    People here are all to well aware of that possibility NSIS and the mass movement of ordinary folk is determined not to allow politicians to take back the power that they have generated. The power that has changed the course of this referendum, and the power that the Establishment has finally woken up to.
     
    #671
  12. Boss

    Boss Son of Pulis

    Joined:
    Dec 3, 2011
    Messages:
    8,849
    Likes Received:
    215
    Out of 1000 voters in one specific poll, thats why it made headlines as it was the first time any poll has shown Independence to be in the lead, other then the polls made on the extreme pro independence sites.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/scotland-decides/poll-tracker

    No votes have been leading the polls by some way, yet once the "don't knows" decide, then the gap will close but the current headlines of the YouGov poll are misleading and taking centre stage as a way to spark the "don't know" voters into believing their vote matters (which it does).
     
    #672
  13. NSIS

    NSIS Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2011
    Messages:
    36,067
    Likes Received:
    14,555
    If yes wins, I hope for your sake you're certain about that. The alternative is, in my view, a pretty horrible one!

    And that's the problem for the Yes campaign, they are asking the Scottish people to make a massive leap of faith. A leap into no-man's land. Whether they're got it right, or not, it is in my view, and I believe will also be in the view of the Scottish voters, a leap too far to ask them to take.
     
    #673
  14. afcftw

    afcftw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2011
    Messages:
    16,635
    Likes Received:
    3,931
    Uncertainty is definitely the reason for the fall of the pound against the dollar but i don't think the drop in stock price for several large Scottish companies is just due to uncertainty but the risks people see involved in Scotland getting independence.

    I think one of my big problems with the YES campaign is that they act like nothing will be negatively affected. It'd all sunshine and roses if Scotland get independence, and that just isn't reality. I feel people are being mislead by this utopian vision that is never going to come to fruition.
     
    #674
  15. afcftw

    afcftw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2011
    Messages:
    16,635
    Likes Received:
    3,931
    I don't vote for any of the big 3, they are all sell outs and all completely out of touch with normal people. I'm definitely pro reform of our political system but I want it to be a reformed uk, not a separated one.
     
    #675
  16. Spurf

    Spurf Thread Mover
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    25,214
    Likes Received:
    15,377
    40'000 of the Orange Order will be marching in Edinburgh just before the vote with their Union Jacks and their Queen.

    please log in to view this image
     
    #676
  17. NSIS

    NSIS Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2011
    Messages:
    36,067
    Likes Received:
    14,555
     
    #677
  18. afcftw

    afcftw Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2011
    Messages:
    16,635
    Likes Received:
    3,931
    He looks like he's conducting an orchestra or casting a spell....

    If I was any good with photoshop he'd be on a bridge shouting "you shall not pass" right now..

    Oh dear...
     
    #678
  19. Spurf

    Spurf Thread Mover
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    25,214
    Likes Received:
    15,377
    I think all the YES people I know are well aware that it will not be all without problems, but our view is that the biggest problems lie with staying in the Union the austerity measures so far introduced amount to 30% of what is coming. There is an alternative and we won't get that by voting No.

    I have no idea how old you are I suspect you are young, I am not but I don't think you and I too far removed in our views, we just see different ways of dealing with it. For the last 35 years I have watched the UK move away from all that I believe in and it is still going in the same direction. We see a chance now to stop and reverse this in an Independent Scotland. I have no faith that we will see any reform in the UK unless it is forced upon it.
     
    #679
  20. The Mighty Thor

    The Mighty Thor Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2011
    Messages:
    5,683
    Likes Received:
    35
    There's a possibility that Cameron will have to resign or be forced out should the Yes vote win.
     
    #680

Share This Page