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  1. NSIS

    NSIS Well-Known Member

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    Here in Spain you are entitled to vote provided that you are officially a resident for tax purposes. It's an interesting situation as a Scotland is still part of the UK at this moment.
     
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  2. paultheplug

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    Are ex-pat Scots not allowed to vote then?
     
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  3. Boss

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    The following groups of people can register to vote in the referendum:

    British citizens resident in Scotland.
    Qualifying Commonwealth citizens resident in Scotland. This means Commonwealth citizens who either have leave to remain in the UK or do not require such leave, and are resident in Scotland.
    Citizens of the Republic of Ireland and other EU countries resident in Scotland.
    Members of the House of Lords resident in Scotland.
    Service/Crown personnel serving in the UK or overseas in the Armed Forces or with Her Majesty’s Government who are registered to vote in Scotland.
     
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  4. pabird

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    If the vote is a yes will the SNP be the governing body majority?
    If so they have declared the Queen will no longer be head of state and Scotland will become a republic which of course may suit the majority

    The international bodies deciding on maritime boundaries do not agree with Salmonds proposed boundaries and if correct that greatly effects the oil revenue incomes he has suggested

    Out of interest how do people feel about requiring work visas should they wish to gain employment in England ?
     
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  5. Spurf

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    Here is an article that explains very well what is happening in this referrendum. If you want to know where I and others in YES are coming from read this.


    Deborah Orr.
     
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  6. Spurf

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    Following a YES vote there would be a 2 year period of transition and negotiation with rUK The SNP as the current Scottish government have already invited the other parties to take part in these negotiations. 2016 will bring Independence and elections for a Scottish parliament.

    The SNP does not say Scotland will be a republic (as much as I would like that) it says it will retain the Monarchy. Although of course Scotland would be able to vote for a republic, or anything else once it was Independent.

    Where are you getting this info from? It seems to be way off. International Law covers marine boundaries, the only dispute I am aware of is the waters claimed by Tony Blair that moves the line from the border at Berwick up to St.Andrews. International Law will sort it.
     
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  7. pabird

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    My question reference SNP policy and being the majority party was to show positive intent to become a republic we have seen in the UK promises of referendum are so much pie in the sky

    Salmon does see the boundaries more encompassing of potential oil reserves than does any examination of maritime north sea boundaries

    Too many vague issues being spun to independence status by a leader with the persona of a second-hand car salesman
     
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  8. swanseaandproud

    swanseaandproud Well-Known Member

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    your right there <ok>
     
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  9. Spurf

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    Can you provide links to this info?
     
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  10. Spurf

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    People who are prepared to make decisions based on whether they like Salmond really are missing the point and are in danger of letting history pass them by.

    If democracy and freedom means anything to you, then put aside your likes or dislikes of individuals and consider the implications of this vote.

    Read Deborah Orr's article above and then tell that does not move you. If it does not then stick with your status quo and watch as history unfolds before you. If she doesn't move you then it really is no good talking to me because I can't write half as well as she can.
     
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  11. Milk not bear jizz

    Milk not bear jizz Grasser-In-Chief

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    The UK has a long established democracy and freedom. An independent Scotland wouldn't have more democracy or more freedom. In fact, it could have potentially less. Newly established countries have a tendancy towards losing democracy, freedom and civil rights. Look at most of Africa, numerous former Soviet states that were set up to be democracies and failed, etc...etc...

    I suspect Scotland would stay democratic but- a severe financial depression caused by the split between UK and Scotland and who knows what will happen.
     
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  12. PleaseNotPoll

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    Deborah Orr's article doesn't move me for two reasons.
    Firstly, she won't actually be voting herself, as she lives in Stockwell with her husband Will Self and has done for since 1997. She appears to have lived in England for even longer than that.

    Secondly, the whole thing is hyperbole and wishful thinking.
    Scottish Politicians will be different! The people will have a voice! This will be the rebirth of democracy in the West!
    More unicorns and double rainbows, I'm afraid. None of it appears to have any basis in truth.

    Is the UK's political system in dire need of an overhaul? I believe so.
    Will this vote have the slightest influence on it, barring a few short-lived shifting allegiances and bloody noses? Nope.
    There's absolutely nothing from the Yes campaign that indicates that any of this will change, not even the monarchy or the money, in their opinion.
    More of the same politicians elected from the same pool, the same parties and the same financial backers. Even Murdoch's sticking his dirty oar in.

    It's another ridiculous attempt to distract from the actual issues and the actual outcome by pointing to a dream that the nationalists aren't even having.
     
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  13. Spurf

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    House of Lords?
    First past the post?
    3 neo-liberal Partys

    One the oldest democracies for sure but one of the least democratic too.

    My major reason for supporting the YES campaign is the lack of democracy in the UK.

    Read Deborah Orr above.
     
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  14. Boss

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    <smile> :)
     
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  15. Boss

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    Wasn't YouGov the only poll to ever give a very slight lead to the yes campaign.
     
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    ----HistoryRepeating---- Well-Known Member

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    Braveheart on tele again tonight, that should push the yes vote up a bit more.
     
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  17. PleaseNotPoll

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    It's a conspiracy! <grr>
     
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  18. littleDinosaurLuke

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    Hollywood does tend to like exaggeration and a bit of embroidery.

    Some interesting views on independence from around the world.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-25844448

    Lots of ex-pat Scots or their descendants around the world, especially the U.S, Canada and New Zealand.
     
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  19. Milk not bear jizz

    Milk not bear jizz Grasser-In-Chief

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    You may answer read Deborah Orr over and over but it makes it no less real and no less naive.

    House of Lords I give you but the other two are silly.

    First Past the Post is good and necessary unless you'd rather a mess like Israel has. There are more than 3 parties in the UK. It just happens 3 get more votes.

    Unlike the US there are no unfair advantages granted to major parties to bar any party from doing well. Its merely popular votes lead to that not institutionalised rigging.


    House of Lords does need to be done away with but it's not that restrictive. They don't do all that much as it is.


    Long run you could end up with less democracy independent. Fledgling democracies in the past 100 years have a very low success ratio.
     
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  20. KingHotspur

    KingHotspur Well-Known Member

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    What channel?

    The England game is sending me to sleep.
     
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