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Formations/line ups - We need a change.

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  1. Darth Plagueis

    Darth Plagueis Well-Known Member

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    De Jong out till next year, Ben Arfa gone. Congrats NUFC. C*nts.

    But anyway, no sense in whinging, we need to find a new line up and plan.

    I'd go with this -

    -------------Riviere---------------
    Aarons-------------------Cabella

    -------------Sissoko------------

    ----Colback------------Anita--------

    Haidara---Colo--Willo------Janmaat

    ---------------Krul----------------


    I think we need to have more of a punch behind that poor lad Riviere who's getting swamped up top by himself. He needs more service, and if we look at the Shalke pre-season game, Aarons whipped in a fantastic cross to Riviere who headed a fantastic goal, which proves that, with the right service, he can score goals well.

    I know it was pre-season, but so what? It showed what he can do if a proper ****ing ball is whipped into him, and I think it's fair that he's basically just being used to drag defenders aside and hoof balls to so our attacking mids can get on the ball, rather than actually having balls played through to him so he can have a crack on goal.

    I think we need to play a 4-3-3 system with Aarons and Cabella given a bit of freedom. Sissoko can play as a box to box mid, and Colback and Anita can push out to support the fullbacks if needed, and Sissoko can drop in.

    I don't want to see Sissoko forced out to the wing again, and I think Gouffran needs to be dropped for now. We need wingers that can get forward more often and attack, so I believe this system would be best for us, and have Anita and Colback

    Thoughts?
     
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  2. Darren Peacock’s Ponytail

    Darren Peacock’s Ponytail Well-Known Member

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    Looks good but for me Perez should be starting! So I would replace Aarons with Perez. Use Aarons as an impact sub for 20/30 minutes each game.
     
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  3. mmmkay

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    ------Perez-------Riviere------

    Aarons--Colback--Sissoko--Cabella

    Haidara----Colo----Willo----Janmaat

    ---------------Krul----------------
     
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  4. Darren Peacock’s Ponytail

    Darren Peacock’s Ponytail Well-Known Member

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    To me Anita has to start in place of Aarons.

    ........................Krul..........................
    Janmaat.....Willo :( ........ Colo....... Haidara
    .............Anita..........Colback...............
    ....................Sissoko.....................
    Cabella..................................Perez
    ....................Ferrarya....................

    Subs: Elliot, Satka, Dummett, Tiote, Aarons, Riviere, Gouffran
     
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  5. Darth Plagueis

    Darth Plagueis Well-Known Member

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    Why a sad face next to Willo? Don't understand how the others in the back line have really been better than him. Solid vs Villa and City despite the red card. Vs Palace the entire back line could be blamed for the goals.

    The defending for the last goal was shocking. Aarons having to mark the target man... -.-
     
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  6. goldie

    goldie Well-Known Member

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    You can't polish a turd at some point we have to accept where we are. We are in the premiership that's pretty cool but it's never going to be more under Ashley. Howay the toon.
     
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  7. Darren Peacock’s Ponytail

    Darren Peacock’s Ponytail Well-Known Member

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    Why the sad face? Because in my opinion he is not good enough. Janmaat is new to the team and will improve, Haidara is young and will improve with a run in the team and Colo we know has the quality but just needs to show it. Willo on the other hand, well, is crap! And has peaked!
     
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  8. Tol3

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    Tbf I don't think willo is as bad as made out he is limited sure. But is solid and plays to his strengths in the main. Like has been pointed out decent against city I didn't see villa and everyone was culpable against palace and our captain has to take some responsibility for organising the back line that last set piece gets more cringe worthy with more viewing
     
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    Darren Peacock’s Ponytail Well-Known Member

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    And that is fine as a 4th choice CB, however he is part of our first pairing at CB - not good enough for a mid table and above team!
     
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  10. Darth Plagueis

    Darth Plagueis Well-Known Member

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    Agree to disagree then. But the lad puts in many solid performances where he may not be great, but he's 7/10 and wins heads and does what we need him to do.

    I think it only fair to judge players based on form mainly, and I don't see how Willo has been worse than anyone else in the back line so far.

    And last season he was probably our best/most consistent defender. Debuchy was great attacking wise, but not consistent defensively. He always steps in when we have injuries and does a good job, and for the last year or so hasn't at all looked beneath anyone else in the back line, defensively.

    He's never been great, but he's certainly improved, and looks like he's put on about a stone in weight and is able to battle against the tougher strikers now when he used to be a pushover and didn't at all win enough headers for a 6ft 4 inch man.
     
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  11. Darth Plagueis

    Darth Plagueis Well-Known Member

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    He's not good enough if we want to make the jump to the top 7/8, but to say he's not good enough for a mid table team is far too harsh.

    How many sides outside the top 7 have two CB's significantly better than Williamson?

    Lets look shall we?

    Swansea have Williams and Fernandez.

    Southampton have Alderweild and Fonte.

    Stoke have Shawcross. Huth is passed it.

    Palace have Hangeland.

    QPR have Caulker. Ferdinand is crock.

    Villa have Vlaar.

    I don't see any other team outside the top 7 who has a CB that you could class as significantly better than Williamson, IMO.

    To say that you need 3 CB's better than Williamson quality to finish mid table or even 8th is a bit too far.

    TBH, is not all down to quality of individual defenders, it's also about how well organised your team is. Look at Palace under Pulis. Man for man they should have been relegated last season, but a good manager got the best out of what he had and they finished above teams with greater quality.

    FFS we finished 5th with Williamson, Coloccini, Simpson, Saylor and Santon!

    We can look very solid with the players we have now, or we can look like relegation fodders, it all depends on organisation, and then player quality.
     
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    Darren Peacock’s Ponytail Well-Known Member

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    Wow! Being patronised by a scruffy little lad!

    If he is so much better than all those other mid table and below teams how come our defence is a relegation based team? Doubt it is our Holland international defender, or our young and upcoming left back or our club captain! Just because we finished 5th with him in defence please remember that Raylor was also in that team and he is crapper than ****e even back then!

    We also know that there is NO organisation in our defence, no tatctics, no communication so for US to be better we need GOOD individuals to make up for this. Which is why I believe Willo is a good 4th choice CB.

    In fact I am so much in belief of this that I would say that there are CB in League 1 who are better than him.
     
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    Darren Peacock’s Ponytail Well-Known Member

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    Oh and just because you think the other lower teams CB's are ****e doesn't mean to say that Willo is better than them.
     
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    krul
    jan wilo colo haidara
    anita sissoko colback
    cabella
    ferrarya riviere
    Last 20 - 30 min perez and aarons
     
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  15. Darth Plagueis

    Darth Plagueis Well-Known Member

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    I wasn't patronising you, I was responding to your point about Williamson not being good enough to be a 1st/2nd choice CB in a mid table team or above.

    I never said that he was MUCH better than all those mid table teams and below, did I? I just said none of those teams have more than 2 CB's that are SIGNIFICANTLY better than him. He's at least on par or in the same bracket as what most teams outside the top 7 have regularly in their starting 11.

    We think we know what we need to reach those higher places, but if you look at what these teams who are competing for those positions have at their disposal, by that logic you could say that they all need improvements in their squads, because from what I can see, none of them have defensive depth good enough to push the likes of Williamson to 4th place.

    But what you need really largely depends on what you're up against. If you are up against teams with great squads, you need a great squad. If you're up against teams with decent squads, you need a decent squad, but, as you said, and we both agree on, tactics matter significantly, and defences can break up and crumble because they've been given bad instructions and a lack of knowledge on how a team is going to attack them, and Pardew and the coaching staff need to take a lot of the blame, not Williamson.

    Williamson has looked good and bad in a solid back line, and in a poor back line. We could do a lot worse, and if we want to break into that top bracket of teams, I agree that we need better, but lets face it, we're heading for mid table because our manager and players are only that good, and it will take a lot more than a CB better than Williamson to get us back in the top 7/8. Williamson doesn't look out of place in our back line right now, and he doesn't deserve to be singled out at all, because we can all kiss the arses of the likes of Colo and Janmaat, but until they reach/regain that form we believe they can achieve, they are deserving of the same scorn that Williamson is being subjected to quite often.

    Williamson is slow, and isn't great on the ball, but he puts in solid enough performances in most of his games, and hasn't put in more poor performances over the last year or so than anyone else in the back line in that time frame. He's worked hard, never complained, and has put on a stone of weight and is now able to fight against bigger opponents when he used to get bullied far to often for a big lad. We never used to have a big presence at the back, but Williamson saw that gap in the market and became a bigger and better defender, and has been our most consistent and reliable defender over the last 12 months while Colo has been injured. Saylor isn't good enough, Debuchy was questionable very often defensively, and we've lacked a solid LB since Enrique left.

    Williamson puts in canny 6-7/10 performances in most of his games, and Colo really hasn't put in the sort of performances he's known for consistently for a while now.
     
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  16. Albert's Chip Shop

    Albert's Chip Shop Top Grafter Forum Moderator

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    We need Tiote to start.
     
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  17. Eddie's British Plodders

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    I heard he played for Ivory Coast yesterday. No doubt he'll get crocked against Cameroon on Wednesday and miss another couple of months.
     
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  18. Obi Wan

    Obi Wan keeper of the peace Forum Moderator

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    Exactly, seems odd how he suddenly recovers in time for international matches. Reminds me of Owen. Either he needs to sort his priorities or the rumours of him wanting a way are true. If he doesn't play against Saints next weekend then I doubt he'll ever play for us again.
     
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  19. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    I'd start as you suggest Tash except I'd start Ferrarya. All I can say about Riviere is............................

    [video=youtube;mqFLXayD6e8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqFLXayD6e8[/video]
     
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  20. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Oh and Aarons must start. To hell with impact subs and the like, unleash the bastard! <laugh> I honestly think he has earnt a start. Perez looks interesting too but Aarons is the one making things happen. If Tiote was fit, I'd drop Colback.
     
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