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o/t data protection and the www

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by DMD, Sep 6, 2014.

  1. DMD

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    I guess it's because it's multi-national so different legislation applies, but I thought companies could only gather and hold only the information needed for the original deal, unless the individual agreed?

    I've never really been that concerned, because as far as I could tell, those selling my personal data and internet history sold it to companies that used it to target the adverts they send, which given they were going to send something, I thought it may as well have some relevance to me.

    I'm aware that there's programs that I can download that can hide me from other agencies, such as the Government, but as I doubt anything I'm looking at is of any concern to them, I didn't see the point. If anything, if I was them, the people trying to hide would be the ones I'd target.

    I'd rather they didn't gather data on me because I think it's unethical, but am I right to be unconcerned?
     
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  2. C'mon ref

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    I would hazard a guess that whatever settings, rules, or blandishments from any on-line firm that whatever you do on the internet is available to those with the means and mindset to look at be it e-mail, pictures, blogs (private or public) and that there are far far cleverer people than either you or I that can find stuff. Being in a digital domain means that whilst it is a wonderful innovation over the last 20 years or so it also has its many drawbacks. And it still amazes me that people have such a cavalier attitude to passwords and pin numbers as such. Facebook is a good example of today's mindset, it is a wonderful social media site that no doubt brings many people together in a central area but at the same time can map anyone's life in the minutest details. Again human frailties, why would anyone post to the world that they will be away for such and such a time at a specified date thereby advertising the fact that their place of residence will be empty? But ask yourself, if you post something that's private to you why did you do it? A letter or even a phone call may suffice but phone calls can be 'tapped' and in any case the internet is so all persuasive, can any of us do without it these days?

    But at the end of the day your original concern, as in real life, those on the internet are there to make money come rain or hail or shine and if selling your details is one method then they will sell, especially if something you have downloaded happened to be 'free' and you know what they say about 'free'. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch, bear that in mind whenever you log on, do 606 sell your stuff? I haven't a clue but they have to get revenue somehow and again just like a real life scenario, no money they go under or are subject to legal action ie Netscape to force them under. Enjoy. :biggrin:

    EDIT: I should also include Napster in the legal niceties that were forced to close down.
     
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  3. balkan tiger

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    I have much less concern about the government agency types snooping about in my computer ( they are looking for terrorist and criminal activities ) than general hackers and i include in this bracket all those companies, businesses, newspapers and google whose sites i look at.
    Nothing is now safe in the internet world, your bank details, pictures everything can be found. Worse is when a major hack is uncovered at a bank or shop or on line trading company the best advise the security experts can give is to change your pass word. The hackers have virtually walked into a bank with all its high tech security and robbed it, not of money but information. If they can do that your home PC is not safe at all no matter how cleverly thought up your password is.
     
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  4. WhittlingStick

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    I was on the BBC today and read a story about discovered vials of smallpox and ricin amongst other bad stuff,

    Out of curiosity I googled ricin as I didn't think it was a bacteria or a virus .

    Now especially since discovering how easy it is to obtain in its natural form and how little is needed to kill , I thought

    It a bit unnerving that the fuzz could monitor my world wide meandering a

    And have me flagged up as a bad egg !!!
     
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  5. captain caveman

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    Government agencies are well known for selling data they've harvested. The DVLA are probably the worst offenders, but I'd be surprised if others weren't as bad.
     
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  6. BrAdY

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    open command prompt up and type netstat

    you see all the connections with you pc

    youd ve surprised whata connected to you, if you check the ip
     
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  7. NorthFerribyTiger

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    You don't need digital media to find that information, it's pretty common information that the toxin is derived from seeds of the caster oil plant.

    Similar toxins exist in many beans, that's why you need to cook kidney beans which contain phytohaemagglutinin to denature the toxins.

    It's the same that many don't realise that apple seeds contain cyanide
     
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  8. Happy Tiger

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    <laugh>

    <laugh> Sure. <laugh>

    Right, after that laugh, what type of data are you on about? What can and can't be done depends entirely on how it got where it is, and what it is.

    Naturally, the "laws" on the, and around the internet are woolly at best and useless at worst. The argument boils down to privacy vs freedom.
     
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  9. NorthFerribyTiger

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    The only remotely safe areas were things like the "darknet" but even that isn't as hidden as people like to believe.

    Trying to hide behind proxy servers etc is a waste of time.

    Similarly these programs you can buy to erase data to "DOD" standards don't work as I found when selling an old PC, I wiped the HDD using the highest level of cleaning & repeating but found I had deleted a file I really needed. My local PC specialist managed to recover the file using data recovery software.

    It is most important to ensure your wifi connection is very secure as if someone manages to hack in & piggyback on your signal, you will find it very difficult to prove it was not you if they then access prohibited content
     
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  10. DMD

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    Really? I was basing it on a programme that was on recently that reviewed several of them. They showed people in China and a lady in the middle east using some that protected them when the authorities checked what they'd been looking at and talking to.

    They then interviewed the developers of some of the packages and Mr Kapersky who had an alternative view.

    My concern was crooks and terrorists, which they touched on by commenting on untraceable drug deals on things like the silk road. They discussed the situation with the guy running Bitcoins. They also looked at some succesful and many failed investigations.

    But I guess I could have got it all wrong.
     
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  11. C'mon ref

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    Damn right I was surprised at the connections, so many ip's to check though not sure I can be bothered but at the end its says established or time wait, not sure what that means. I am of limited technicality lol
     
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  12. NorthFerribyTiger

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    Many of the connections are to advertisers, image hosts etc & will depend how many active windows you have open & if you have antivirus, firewall programs etc as when browsing some of them check the safety & security of sites before allowing them to open

    I tried with the ITV Player site as the only & found it opened 17 network connections
     
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  13. Kempton

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    George Orwell's brilliant novel '1984' is far too often thought of as a prediction. He only named it 1984, because he wrote it in 1948. He wasn't a seer, he didn't look in the crystal ball.

    He was spot on though.
     
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  14. Happy Tiger

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    If you think anything can completely hide you whilst online, or that stuff on the "underweb" or "darknet" is untraceable, then yeah, you're wrong. I'll concede that some things may make it harder to track/trace you, but only to script kiddies and wannabe hackers.

    Bottom line, if its online, its available and not private.
     
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  15. WhittlingStick

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    not really the point i was making but thanks anyway for the tips ;) ;)
     
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  16. DMD

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    I never said it could completely hide anything. That's why I put it's the masked users I'd expect the Government to investigate first. There'd be no point investigating if it's impossible. <doh>

    It's drifting from the point, but the difficulties the authorities have breaking terrorist, criminal and ***** rings suggest it's not as difficult as you may think. The people on the programme, from criminals to liberators were grateful for the packages, and the authorities were bemoaning them, but it's immaterial to the point of the OP.
     
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  17. originallambrettaman

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    If you put your computer in a triple-ply cardboard box, nobody can see what you're looking at, it's a well known fact.
     
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  18. Party Hull!

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    First computer I ever had.

    please log in to view this image


    No trouble from the Feds trying to intercept my IP address on this baby.
     
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  19. balkan tiger

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    Damn spent a **** load of money on bacofoil for nowt then, sitting here looking like a right plonker in my tin foil tent.
     
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  20. DMD

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    You will if you haven't tin foiled the walls too. Do that and they'll never find you. <ok>
     
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