Is it bad that I kind of want one of them to retire from the next three races so we can have the championship decided before double points start coming into it?
Ha ha ha… Miggs. Top bloke. Why is it that I enjoy almost every post of yours that I see, so much? Often contrary but always saying it the way you see it, and never afraid to go against the grain of popular opinion, the result is that I always (think I) understand where you're coming from; even with this one, where your deep-down hopes might be to highlight a weakness in 'the system'. Your post has caused me to forget what I came here to say, so I'll leave it for later. Hmm. Let's see if the 'street-cred' system for this forum allows me to give you some… [Edit: no, it won't – as usual. Still, hopefully my appreciation is already clear] (Just remembered what I was going to say. Note to self: Merc street cred)
Hamilton's statement: please log in to view this image This post on "The rules of racing" is also well worth a read in my opinion. Would be interesting to hear Cosi's thoughts on it.
Hi DHC. Firstly, thanks for the link. 'f1metrics' appears to know his/her stuff. I fully endorse it. Although lengthy enough to make me think I'd not got time to read the lot in one sitting, I did! I think the author should be congratulated for undertaking to explain some of the subtleties which are often misunderstood by spectators. Some of these things can require a lot of thought – and similarly lengthy, detailed explanation – in an effort to avoid presenting ambiguity to the (necessarily patient*) reader. It's not an easy task to make something with so many subtleties crystal clear without skirting important (and necessary) detail. It should come as no surprise therefore, that many explanations 'out there on the internet' are inadequate. Indeed, many pro's with the technical knowledge prefer to avoid such subjects altogether, since these types of topic form the proverbial minefield of motor-racing etiquette and beyond. As an example, I even had to think twice before choosing the word 'etiquette', since it may imply 'not written in stone' to some, even if it is! Interrupting myself for a moment, I should say that rules are actually derived – in the first instance – from etiquette. Furthermore, the same logic applies (again, at the conceptual stage) to norms, codes of practice, rules and laws for all societies. It is therefore important to preserve and reinforce underlying etiquette whenever philosophical discussion about rights and wrongs is entered into – regardless of what is being discussed! Right. Where was I… (?!) Oh yes. I guess what I'm saying is that I applaud anyone with the courage to attempt to clarify the 'grey' areas of motor racing (anything actually). As implied, this can be an onerous task. But it is even better to find oneself reading such a comprehensively good effort. So, I agree with you, DHC; it is well worth a read. Some may bear it in mind for the near future of the rest of this season! *The impatient are far more likely to leave a topic with misunderstanding. Sometimes such misunderstandings can cause huge disagreement and even fall-out in fora! P.S. I realise I've still not said what I came here to say!
But did he? Or did he just say he did to piss off Hamilton, a pissed off Hamilton makes lots of mistakes, it's only when everything is rosy around him that can he perform. The stewards have probably seen the telemetry, I don't think Rosberg did anything untoward other than leave it to the other guy to avoid the incident, when two drivers have that attitude a crash happens. Rosberg didn't have as much to lose, and it certainly wasn't as bad as some of Hamilton's attacks and defences this season, the only difference is Rosberg's attitude to them, and so he's proved his point. What has happened after is a case of Rosberg teaching Hamilton how to get in someones head, something Hamilton earlier bragged he'd do to Rosberg.
I have picked out this statement as I think it will become more relevant as the season draws to an end. Rosberg has the points lead, so as you say has less to lose by going aggressive on his defending/attacking on the track. Hamilton has to remember that, as if both drivers fail to finish it's to Rosberg's benefit (unless they keep doing it and Ricciardo nicks it the WDC the blind side!)
So Hamilton needs to pull out some online racing techniques? Put yourself in a position where you know some idiot will take you out, then bail out at the last minute and watch as that person makes a wild lunge into thin air and takes them self out?
Or just imagine that the person behind is himself and take the necessary precautions. At the end of the day it was an accident both could have easily avoided, Rosberg is the more at fault, but both were to blame and only one person was ever going to profit from it.
Part of the issue goes all the way back to the rule 'he who has the racing line can barge the other one off'. Before Mr Schumacher had this rule brought in/clarified because of how his actions on the track (he who was also responsible for the pitlane exit line being brought in), it was accepted by the drivers in a gentlemens agreement kind of way, that if someone was alongside you, you would at least give them a cars width, no matter whether they were fully alongside or not. Now you don't have to, you can push them off on the outside of a corner and just claim you were on your racing line.
Not wumming, but if the drivers are so high and mighty now why don't they stop themselves each other - "pushing them off".
[video=youtube;FxRG0j5LFVY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxRG0j5LFVY[/video] Just found this from 2010, MSC backed out, Rosberg didn't this season. That probably swings in Lewis's side of the argument.
It really depends on how much control Mercedes have, hopefully they are completely full of wind, Hamilton controls himself and we end up with a no-holds barred gladatorial battle that someone wins thanks to a last lap DRS overtake that gives them the double points they needed for the WDC after being 2nd all race.
That wouldn't be Rosberg...he isn't that good at overtaking. Might be a little better at taking out though..lol
I've noticed Rosberg gets very erratic and panicky when overtaking. Hamilton on the other hand is maybe to lax and is unaware of his surrounding at times. Polar opposites.
Yeah, technically the guy alongside Schuey had the racing line so had the right to shove Schuey off the road. Schuey had to react to avoid the collision otherwise it would have been deemed he would be at fault. Stupid rule, its a shame that driver respect is now only measured by the wording in the regulations.
