Le Tissier: Dyer due England call http://www1.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/9449089/le-tissier:-dyer-due-england-call-? Worth a view - very fair report.
The blaming of the number of foreign players for the decline of the England squad, like the blaming of immigrants for the decline of job opportunities or wages is a smokescreen, detracting from the real issue. In 1974,1978 and 1994 there were only a handful of foreign players in the English top flight and yet England didn't qualify for the World Cup in any of these years, this in itself blunts the argument a bit. If there were equally talented UK players rated at comparable values, they WOULD play in the Premier league. But we just don’t have them in numbers at the right skill level. Therefore when one is spotted, there is a premium on his value / price due to being home-grown. This automatically puts them at a disadvantage when clubs are looking to buy two equally gifted players (e.g. One from overseas and one from UK. Clubs will in the majority of circumstances choose the cheaper option and that currently is the overseas player). Restricting the right to choose talent from overseas will NOT improve England’s quality, it will just LOWER the quality of the Premier league. No one wins, and everyone loses. Do you really think the power of the Premier League will allow this to happen? I don’t think so, and I also think it is wrong to anyway. The real problem is that the talent spotting set up and the coaching and nurturing of players from a very young age at grass roots level is totally inadequate. The main problem is that the players who reach academy level are there not down to talent alone, but by being lucky and being in the right place at the right time, how their talent is being proactively coached, and also how dedicated / pushy the parents are and who they know in the talent spotting set up. The only way for the system to spot real talent ‘fairly’ and in numbers to compete with the numbers of technically gifted young players in Europe is for there to be investment in grass roots coaching, as they have done in Europe. The St Georges park set up is a farce and will never solve the problem because it is too high up in the pyramid system and is there only for the benefit of young players already spotted via a system that does NOT work. England only have 9% of the number of A/Pro licence coaches compared to Spain (Germany have 5 times as many as England as well!). And the situation is even worse for England when you start to dig deeper and look at the number of qualified Uefa level 2/3 and B licensed coaches at grass roots level compared to Europe. The main reason for this is money. The European FA’s invest and subsidise to a huge extent the cost of such licences and proactively encourage coaches to develop their coaching skills. If you want to do this in England (and Wales!), you have to pay for it yourself and get little or no assistance for loss of money from time off work to attain such licences. If coaches at all levels were better trained / qualified and all with the same aim / national identity of a way to play (i.e. technical / passing game in Spain for example), then all players have chance to learn the skills required for the benefit of the national squad. Grass roots level coaching at junior / youth ages in Europe is prioritised towards player skill development. You would rarely see a coach in Europe adopting a long ball direct approach as a methodology just to win games over a season as that would be detrimental to the players development. In England (and Wales) the priority is on results and results only for the team ahead of player development at junior / youth level. And this is all down to lack of qualified / trained coaches who have all been licensed to train with a national identity way of playing. I am not saying that every national FA has to choose tiki taka like spain, but they should have an identity in the way they play, and all coaches shown how to coach toward this. I am not saying this from an ignorant or ill informed viewpoint as I am a committee member of a grass roots football league and also UEFA level 2 licensed coach (next step is UEFA B licence when I can get the time and money) , and have seen this drift and lack of talent spotting for many years now. There IS talent out there, but it is lost far too early due to lack of adequate coaching philosophy. I am not having a go at the thousands of grass roots coaches out there, I am one anyway, as we all do everything we can and mainly with little thanks or appreciation for our voluntary time. The problem is with the set up. THE NUMBER OF FOREIGN PLAYERS IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE is a symptom of the disease not the cause!!. Top flight clubs would love to have home grown talent, but at the moment compared to Europe, we lose too many talented kids at the bottom of the pyramid, so when they get to academy level, the ones that at left are not the ‘best of the best’ as they are in Europe, they are the ones lucky enough to get there by chance and being in the right place at the right time, or as I see in a lot of cases, because the parents have the right connections, or have the knowledge and desire to push the right people in the right way. Rant over!
This explains a lot, not an article but instead the comment section http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...nk-s-men-easily-Baggies.html#comments-2738378
For me it is not about whether I like England or not as it happens spent a lot of my working life there so I will always want them to do well other than against Wales. What i feel its about the players being overlloked and not given a chance when they deserve the opportunity. Should they after being given the chance are found to be not good enough then so be it get rid. But to have never attended the Liberty and watch English players who play in positions that England are not over blessed with is a disgerace. Maybe yesterday we should have been singing 'are you watching Woy Hodgson'
Problems Roy faces is he says and tried to play football from the back .. but picks 'reputation' players who generally play hoof-ball (leaving the skills to the 'foreigners'). These players aren't with the England set up long enough to change their basic play and when under pressure revert to type. England doesn't have enough skilled players to know how to keep and pass the ball, it is foreign. For example, how many supporters of other teams don't appreciate our style, calling it boring and using tika-taka as a term of derision? England like a 'playmaker' to be surrounded by hard tackling, hard working and if possible fast players. They are still looking for the next Bobby Moore but when an exceptional player like Glenn Hoddle did come along they had no idea what to do with him. I admire Coleman for trying to get some Welsh donkeys to play football and hope we will start reaping the dividends soon, but he has an even worse problem as he has less players to choose from. Maybe Hodgeson and the FA are responding to the Olympic 2012 squad. Stuart Pearce was a huge fan of our play which was reflected in there being a fraction under a quarter of his squad signed to or having spent the season at Swansea. While our players did well the fall down was again on others who couldn't fit into that system and the team didn't perform as hoped. One thing is for certain, if we don't get players acknowledged it will adversely affect our ability to sign potential England players. Jack Cork may well be in that category.
I felt like that when I re-read it...bloody harder to read than it was typing... I was just 'on one' as they say.... But I now have a sumarised version.... Summary Dai's Wrong !
Almost....I never spoke about Roy...so the summary should be... Don't blame the foreigners, English players are crud, the FA are all morons. Not saying Roy is not a moron though, just that he wasnt part of my original post.
Nottage that is one very comprehensive overview of the reality, and one that I have trumpeted many times before, you have hit the nail on the head, great post mate. I think that if clubs just improved the scouting network, and actually got half decent scouts out and about really looking for youngsters then that would go a long way, and be a good start to addressing the grass routs issue...........
Many fans have pointed the finger that the cause of the home nations demise is too many foreign players playing for clubs in our top league so your rant is bullshit and misleading. You cant get away with no trophy or finals since 1966, How do you explain that when you see Germany,Italy,spain France winning trophies multiple times since 1966....get real ffs....And its getting worst as more foreign players are now infesting the lower leagues like never before and couple that with foreign managers also growing at an alarming rate then there is no chance in hell of any of the home nations winning anything. The facts are there for all to see as clubs are being taken over by foreigners that dont care two hoots about the national sides and only care about their clubs and their own countries fortunes. The premiership is nowhere near the best league in the world anymore as it has become a cash cow for foreigners and will continue to be so for as long as the top brass dont care about how the 4 home nations do in competitions.....1966 says it all....approaching 50 years...
Your are entitled to your viewpoint as am I and everyone else. However to respond by stating my post is 'bulls**t' is quite typical of your usual starting point in a debate. Quite sad really. Unfortunately 'many fans' have a simplistic view like yours. This is because the general public as a 'mob' is dumb, media driven, and when they enter into debate are only able to regurgitate tripe that they have read or moaned about with a fellow ' sheep' down the pub. . If you ask anyone who is closely connected with coaching at grass roots level, and if they have a modicum of inteligence, they will have a more realistic approach to what the cause of the problem is. And you still have not counter argued what happend in 1994, 1974 and 1978 when England were just as bad as now and did not even manage to qualify for the WC, when there were hardly any overseas players in the top flight of english football.
I am quite real I assure you. And if you actually read my post (I know it was long...) you would actually see that I have already explained this. The fact is that they have more home grown players in their top leagues becuase of the coaching and talent spotting set up aligned with the fact they have MANY TIMES MORE qualified coaches at grass roots levels. I think I made it quite clear, the number of foreign players in the league is a symptom of the problem NOT the cause. I will of course be glad to retype this again as many times as you need until you can understand it.
you see it in regional rugby, the clubs have very little money to bring in foreign players, they are only allowed something like 3 foreign players, so there are plenty of opportunities for young welsh players to come through. at the 16-17 year old age group england have won trophies at international level, their opposition get chances, but they don't. in order to break through at a premier league team you have to be outstanding, otherwise managers won't risk it as the stakes are too high. in holland, france, spain etc, young players get opportunities that english players will never get. its mainly due to a lack of money, but also a culture that has developed in this country that you buy big players in and unless a youngster gets off to a flying start he is dropped. you talk about crap coaching and poor academies but due to the sky money, PL teams have the best training facilities in the world. clubs like chelsea have facilities and coaches, but the route to the first team is blocked, thats a problem that is repeated throughout the league. ben davies, for example, would in all likelihood still be waiting for his chance if you hadn't had injuries. you only know if they are good enough by giving them a run in the team, not the odd league cup appearance. the premier league is about creating a spectacle, and the powers that be want the best players from around the world playing. they understandably don't care about the english national team, as if they started putting young lads in, the standard would drop and its not so appealing to the TV audience.
