So he took 2 points out of his first 5 league games then..... Sort of the OP's point me thinks[/QUOTE] Deflection is the OP's point. I say again Context: Kenny was fired for having a shed load of money spent on players that didn't work (in the view of FSG) resulting in bad league position. Rodgers came in with the understanding and agreement from FSG of a complete rebuild over three years. A slow start was expected. Moyes was sacked for taking a league winning side and have it come seventh. With claims from supporters that it wasn't really the players fault simply a manager in too big a pond, with outdated methods and with players with more experience than him and therefore no respect for his vision. Which would mean VG was hired to merely steer away from an incorrect course and the league winning squad would resume it's victorious ways. He was, unlike Moyes, experience at running a big team, with winning players and he'd sort it. Except now we are being told after a **** start that actually he's on a rebuild mission like Rodgers......so was Moyes incorrectly sacked if after all seventh was a result of a **** squad? Why would an inexperienced manager have to do it in one year but the grand master gets longer with despite protestations the same general squad? As usual, lots of switching stories and using an obsession with Liverpool as an excuse not to admit its going very very wrong at home.....
Everyone could see that the United squad this summer needed major surgery. They lost 4 of their saltwarts for a start off, in Giggs, Evra, Camel Gob and Vidic. So trying to make out that Van Gaal was walking into the same set of issues that Moyes did a year earlier is pure folly. The OP's point was merely that a poor start doesn't mean that Van Gaal is destined to fail, and some of the gloating (by kopites) might be a tad premature, and indeed context is key as he was giving some context to that premise, by pointing out that Rodgers start was hardly auspicious.
I have never written the ****ers off, but I maintain the only trophy they stand ANY chance of winning this season is the FA Cup. They will not win the PL.
This ^ And if we can't piss ourselves at the state of them currently what's the point! LVG could certainly turn it around, but in this crawl modern football world we live in.... How long will he get? Especially if City end up doing the double again and they do ****!
haha, not a chance. Only the most idiotic of Mancs were ever claiming they might though. I'll reserve judgement on where I think they'll end up this season until the window shuts.
But since Rodgers is a #fraud and Van Gaal is a #tacticalgenius surely the expectations should be far higher for Man Utd even before you consider the starting squads and financial power
Their remit at the start of their respective careers was the same I reckon - get us back into the CL. As that's what both sets of Yanks are really interested in. Rodgers has spent about £220m btw so you're hardly paupers lol.
http://transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/transfer-league-table-last-five-seasons.html Still running at about half the net spend of the Utd/city/chavs over last 5years. We've only spent a lot because we sold some of our best players and it's difficult to replace them first time.
Please! that ****es already been tried by the Mancs, Moyes had those players in name only (either too old or couldn't be arsed), and anyway, only Vidic was gone before VG could stop him leaving with a word so no difference in squad that he didn't in fact decide so its his own fault he doesn't have those players. He also has the addition of Mata. As can be seen, plenty of us, (winding aside) believe it's too early to judge but **** excuses like above make it easy to laugh harder. Apparently everyone but the Board knew a rebuild was needed as they sacked Moyes because he didn't gain the respect of the very players that were allowed to go by end of year one AFTER Moyes exit. So Why does anyone think VG will get more than a year if he doesn't make top four after spending more than Moyes in a year? Same basic squad with plenty of money spent already to add to it. Record signing.....if they come sixth which is a distinct possibility will VG still be there next summer?
The OP may have a point only time will if LVG can turn this bad start around, personally I don't think Utd are going about this the right way and are going to end up regretting this spending spree.
Who said he will? Not me. If he brings in another couple before the dealine closes I think he's simply got to deliver top 4. Same as when FSG shot Dalglish after he failed to deliver his primary objective. The only thing that could save him if they fall short, is if they look like a real side by the end of the season but miss out due to their poor start, then that might get him another season, but the pressure is right on him.
Aye but he had to buy a LOT of players with that. Rarely are we in a position like United to throw 30+ at individual players. Not even this year when we had spare cash. I mean United's transfers this year prove the difference. In need of same total squad rebuild as us yet buying players at 30-50M when we're buying them at 15-20. So as usual you're looking at us as millionaire from a poor man's view when the millionaire is in fact competing with billionaires. It's relative as you know.
Rodgers net spend over 5 windows has been 110m, LVG has spent 125m net in 1, which hasn't even finished. Get a grip Tobes!
Didn't say you did but a one year project is in contradiction with a complete squad rebuild no matters who the manager is, even with money thrown at it. As luv says they're in danger of perpetuating the issues.
You pays your money you takes your choice. We spent nearly £30m on one player, out of a total budget of £36m, we chose to splash the cash on a player who would improve the first XI in a key position and the rest of the additions have had to fit the small remaining budget. You've spent over £200m, the fact that he's chosen to bring in players in the bracket he has done is up to him, you could have spent massively on 1 or 2 and improved the squad with low cost additions same as we have.
I made a point on their board that they could have and maybe should have looked at adding more players who were available at reasonable prices. These players are just an example but hopefully my point is clear. Rodwell Moreno Michu All three have moved and have gone for a reasonable price or (Michu) on loan. So for approx 24 million plus some wages they could have 3 players that I think would do well. If you trawl through the transfers I'm sure there are other examples but Utd are throwing big money and looking to fix the problem quickly, great if it works but if it doesn't they will be right in the s**t because the Glazers are not going to give this budget every season.
You're completely ignoring the other financial component which is wages. Rodgers made us climb the table while reducing the wage bill. Van Gaal has a mandate to spend whatever he wants on wages, so no choosing players with lower fees (and lower wages) was not a completely free choice by Rodgers.
Except in your case you have spent 30m on a player who was already in the first team. Plus you don't have to worry about having a squad to compete in the CL which is why we did ok with a thin squad last year.
