Martin Samuel in the Mail is currently leading a campaign to persuade the FA to replace Roy Hodgson with Rio Ferdinand when the time comes. Apparently he deserves it because England "needs" a black football manager. Sounds a bit like America needing a black President....he has turned out to be crap...but what the hell. Just think of Rio the Moron managing England. What a role model. Refused a drugs test. Numerous lifestyle issues, including serial adultery. Bring it on.
I think that was kind of my point, that perhaps the reason sometimes black managers aren't employed because owners fear a reaction if they then sack him. Even though there wouldn't be (and hasn't been) such a reaction if he is sacked for not being good enough. I agree with you in that I don't see racism against black players as a problem in English football now.
I assume you mean from within football Captain? I can guarantee that when I sit in NU I will hear the shout "You black bastard" at least 3 or 4 times a game.... when Chris was the boss and I pointed out to this/these guys the colour of his skin I got back....."Yeah well I wasn't shouting at him was I" A lot of progress has been made but we are not there yet.
Agree but only this week I saw someone on the telly saying it's digusting that there aren't enough Asian players in the Football League and they should have quotas. Why? FFS, if asians or anyone else for that matter don't want to play football or aren't good enough why should they be quata-ed. Would someone stand up and say there's not enough white Kabaddi participants?
Rio Ferdinand isn't black, even though he thinks he is. Barack Obama isn't black, although the common perception is that he is. They are both mixed race. I believe Chris Hughton is as well.
That is what I meant, yes. I must admit I'm a bit surprised to hear you say that about the NU, as I've never heard anything like that at a football match (I've only been in the NU a couple of times), but I guess when there are still so many people brought up in the era when it was acceptable to shout out things like that then it's natural for them to shout it out in the high-tension atmosphere of a football match.
It boils my piss when someone applies this statistic for black managers in the league and automatically infers 'institutional racism'. So what? Is not being good enough the preserve of white english workers? Does the same criteria apply the other way? Is Isis racist? Do they offer jobs to white freedom fighters? What about costa coffee or any inner city McDonalds'. Do they have white managers? This is not the public sector, where quotas are more important than performance. Given that most chairman are foreign themselves, do we have to be so british and tell them how to spend their money? As managers are unlikely to have sell on value and usually are sacked before their contracts expire, it makes sense to limit the potential compensation claims.
Must say I have never heard "Vintage Left wing mud slinging," being used to describe anything from the Daily Mail. Putting aside the colour of skin, why are English managers of any skin colour, an endangered spices in the Premiership. I can't see any new managers being English ones unless the get promoted (& then sacked or relegated).
I don't agree with the Daily Mail, far from it, hate it as a paper and moan at my mum every day when she buys it BUT that is what headlines say when a black manager is sacked, even though he was rubbish towards the end (Powell that is, Terry Connor was shocking from the beginning)
When I hear the bleatings of the likes of Jason Roberts, Stan Collymore, and the Black Footballers Industry PLC, I think of Jose Mourinho. He came in to football with no leg up, no insider dealing, no quota system whatsoever. The chances of him becoming the manager he is, from the start he had, must have been a million to one. He blagged his first role in footballer because Sir Bobby Robson needed an interpretor. He then went on to have a stellar career, whether you like him or not, thanks to something called *ability*. He didn't needed the Portuguese Managers Assoc bleating about him not getting a chance, he didn't need a quota system to give him a chance. He was good enough. End of. It is accurate to say that there are hundreds of black coaches from the grass roots upwards in English football. They have all had opportunities to climb the ladder. So have Ince, Hughton, Powell, Gullit, Kiwonmya, Connor etc. They have all failed in their own way. That is their problem.
I have sat/stood in the Covered End for almost 40 years, and never heard a racist comment against a black man.
What I don't understand is why Charlton has so few black fans. Usually from where I sit in the NW you can count them on one hand. And I assume it's not just Charlton either. Of course it's their decision not to come, but if they did it would add a fair bit on to the attendance. And I tend to assume that this forum (and others) are all white, maybe I'm wrong? I don't remember Sol Campbell or anyone commenting on this. What would they say?
Generally speaking, it is not part of their culture to attend games. You see plenty of African 'fans' in the pub when Arsenal or Chelsea are on Sky...nursing a pint of Coke and 5 straws.
